[Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music

Tue Oct 30 14:17:14 EDT 2018

Understand?  What is there to understand in noise which drives one up the
wall?  Gilbert and Sullivan at least have melody...
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Cheers

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 12:19, Steve Voce <stevevoce at virginmedia.com> wrote:

> The foremost reason that people don't like a kind of music (not the only
> reason) is that they don't understand it. Except in the case of Gilbert &
> Sullivan, which can be hated on first hearing.
>
> Steve Voce
> On 29/10/2018 20:27, Marek Boym wrote:
>
> Must one really give reasons for liking this or that?  I don't think so.
> It speaks to me, and this does not.  With all the explanations, Coltrane
> still sounds to me like musical torture, exposure to which for too long
> (over 20 seconds) would lead me to confessing the assassination of Kennedy
> and even Lincoln just to stop the din!
> I, too, studied English literature, but the more modern "poetry" I read,
> the more I hated it.  Johnny Frigo's poem on critics best expresses my
> thoughts on the subject.  Many years ago I read that "a literary critic is
> a person who reads into literary work meanings which would have never come
> to mind of an averagely intelligent writer" (quoted from memory and
> translated from Polish).
> The literary criticism assignments we had seemed to me like a post mortem;
> the poems could never come back to life after the dissection.
> I like what I like and I do not apologize for it.
> Cheers
>
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 18:27, Charles Suhor <csuhor at zebra.net> wrote:
>
>> Agree with Stan. It's a matter of personal taste, but also of expansion
>> of taste, which works for some in some directions and not for others. A
>> parallel on my experience is in literature. When I first read T.S. Eliot/'s
>> "Waste Land" in college, I thought it was sort of insane. After reading
>> more modern poetry, I "got" that it's is a different aesthetic. I treasured
>> Eliot'c collected works and became an English teacher with an abiding love
>> for most literature. But not all. I still find most of Milton booorring,
>> though I know he was a genius. In jazz, I'm fondest of traditional jazz and
>> bebop, but can't stay with most free form jazz. In classical music, Bach is
>> very much like God, and I levitate when I hear much of Bartok and
>> Stravinsky. Opera pretty much eludes me. I can give "reasons" why my faves
>> are my faves but we're each bribed in a sense by our own history. Let that
>> be an appreciation of the great variety of life and fodder for discussion.
>> Hey, I think that's what we're doing, for the most part.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> > On Oct 29, 2018, at 2:15 AM, Stan Brager <stanbrager at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > From what you've expressed, I understand that you find musical pleasure
>> in a personal feeling for some forms of music. There is nothing wrong with
>> that.
>> >
>> > On the other hand, there are others who appreciate the flow of more
>> forms of music as well. My personal experience has been to appreciate these
>> other forms of music as well. It's taken time and critical listening to get
>> to that point. To be honest, there are some works of music which I do not
>> like.
>> >
>> > When many of the modern composers have presented their music, they were
>> panned. Yet, after listening to a piece for a time, a person can learn to
>> appreciate it.
>> >
>> > What, after all, is music or art?
>> >
>> > Stan
>> > Stan Brager
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Steve Voce [mailto:stevevoce at virginmedia.com]
>> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:49 AM
>> > To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music
>> >
>> > It seems like a very laboured way of saying "hot".
>> >
>> > Steve Voce
>> >
>> >
>> > On 28/10/2018 15:22, Dan Spink wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >       I have never authored an original email to this list. I hope your
>> readers find this interesting. All of the years I've played piano in
>> different bands I've noticed that the music I truly love can be easily
>> categorized harmonically and rhythmically--but I've never seen anyone
>> comment on this idea. Maybe the list mates have some opinions:
>> >
>> >       The music I love I call "emotional" music which I contrast with
>> "intellectual" music. The first is harmonically centered on triads and
>> sevenths with a clearly "felt" two-beat or four beat. This includes
>> Dixieland, folk, church hymns, Rock, and even Classical. The opposite I see
>> as dissonance focus and a steady but not easily felt four beat. I was
>> playing in the Fifties when I sensed the split in "Jazz". I do not wish to
>> offend anyone, but I do not like Bebop or what could be called "Modern
>> Jazz" with so many complex, dissonant chords I can't tell them apart
>> sometimes.
>> >
>> >       My bias may not be appreciated but I respect musical skill in any
>> genre.
>> >
>> >       Any comments from anyone?
>> >
>> >       Dan Spink
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >       --
>> >
>> >
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