<div dir="ltr"><div>Understand? What is there to understand in noise which drives one up the wall? Gilbert and Sullivan at least have melody...</div><div>Your email has again ended in spam.</div><div>Cheers<br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 12:19, Steve Voce <<a href="mailto:stevevoce@virginmedia.com">stevevoce@virginmedia.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>The foremost reason that people don't like a kind of music (not
the only reason) is that they don't understand it. Except in the
case of Gilbert & Sullivan, which can be hated on first
hearing.<br>
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<p>Steve Voce<br>
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<div class="m_-6262321154406796297moz-cite-prefix">On 29/10/2018 20:27, Marek Boym wrote:<br>
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<div>Must one really give reasons for liking this or that? I
don't think so. It speaks to me, and this does not. With all
the explanations, Coltrane still sounds to me like musical
torture, exposure to which for too long (over 20 seconds)
would lead me to confessing the assassination of Kennedy and
even Lincoln just to stop the din!</div>
<div>I, too, studied English literature, but the more modern
"poetry" I read, the more I hated it. Johnny Frigo's poem on
critics best expresses my thoughts on the subject. Many years
ago I read that "a literary critic is a person who reads into
literary work meanings which would have never come to mind of
an averagely intelligent writer" (quoted from memory and
translated from Polish). <br>
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<div>The literary criticism
assignments we had seemed to me like a post mortem; the poems
could never come back to life after the dissection.</div>
<div>I like what I like and I do not apologize for it.</div>
<div>Cheers <br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 18:27, Charles Suhor <<a href="mailto:csuhor@zebra.net" target="_blank">csuhor@zebra.net</a>>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Agree with
Stan. It's a matter of personal taste, but also of expansion
of taste, which works for some in some directions and not for
others. A parallel on my experience is in literature. When I
first read T.S. Eliot/'s "Waste Land" in college, I thought it
was sort of insane. After reading more modern poetry, I "got"
that it's is a different aesthetic. I treasured Eliot'c
collected works and became an English teacher with an abiding
love for most literature. But not all. I still find most of
Milton booorring, though I know he was a genius. In jazz, I'm
fondest of traditional jazz and bebop, but can't stay with
most free form jazz. In classical music, Bach is very much
like God, and I levitate when I hear much of Bartok and
Stravinsky. Opera pretty much eludes me. I can give "reasons"
why my faves are my faves but we're each bribed in a sense by
our own history. Let that be an appreciation of the great
variety of life and fodder for discussion. Hey, I think that's
what we're doing, for the most part.<br>
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Charlie<br>
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> On Oct 29, 2018, at 2:15 AM, Stan Brager <<a href="mailto:stanbrager@gmail.com" target="_blank">stanbrager@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> From what you've expressed, I understand that you find
musical pleasure in a personal feeling for some forms of
music. There is nothing wrong with that.<br>
> <br>
> On the other hand, there are others who appreciate the
flow of more forms of music as well. My personal experience
has been to appreciate these other forms of music as well.
It's taken time and critical listening to get to that point.
To be honest, there are some works of music which I do not
like.<br>
> <br>
> When many of the modern composers have presented their
music, they were panned. Yet, after listening to a piece for a
time, a person can learn to appreciate it.<br>
> <br>
> What, after all, is music or art?<br>
> <br>
> Stan<br>
> Stan Brager<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Steve Voce [mailto:<a href="mailto:stevevoce@virginmedia.com" target="_blank">stevevoce@virginmedia.com</a>] <br>
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:49 AM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:dixielandjazz@ml.islandnet.com" target="_blank">dixielandjazz@ml.islandnet.com</a><br>
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> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our
Kind Of Music<br>
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> It seems like a very laboured way of saying "hot".<br>
> <br>
> Steve Voce<br>
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> <br>
> On 28/10/2018 15:22, Dan Spink wrote:<br>
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> I have never authored an original email to this
list. I hope your readers find this interesting. All of the
years I've played piano in different bands I've noticed that
the music I truly love can be easily categorized harmonically
and rhythmically--but I've never seen anyone comment on this
idea. Maybe the list mates have some opinions: <br>
> <br>
> The music I love I call "emotional" music which I
contrast with "intellectual" music. The first is harmonically
centered on triads and sevenths with a clearly "felt" two-beat
or four beat. This includes Dixieland, folk, church hymns,
Rock, and even Classical. The opposite I see as dissonance
focus and a steady but not easily felt four beat. I was
playing in the Fifties when I sensed the split in "Jazz". I do
not wish to offend anyone, but I do not like Bebop or what
could be called "Modern Jazz" with so many complex, dissonant
chords I can't tell them apart sometimes. <br>
> <br>
> My bias may not be appreciated but I respect
musical skill in any genre.<br>
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> Any comments from anyone?<br>
> <br>
> Dan Spink<br>
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