[Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music

Steve Voce stevevoce at virginmedia.com
Tue Oct 30 05:07:14 EDT 2018


The foremost reason that people don't like a kind of music (not the only 
reason) is that they don't understand it. Except in the case of Gilbert 
& Sullivan, which can be hated on first hearing.

Steve Voce

On 29/10/2018 20:27, Marek Boym wrote:
> Must one really give reasons for liking this or that?  I don't think 
> so.  It speaks to me, and this does not.  With all the explanations, 
> Coltrane still sounds to me like musical torture, exposure to which 
> for too long (over 20 seconds) would lead me to confessing the 
> assassination of Kennedy and even Lincoln just to stop the din!
> I, too, studied English literature, but the more modern "poetry" I 
> read, the more I hated it.  Johnny Frigo's poem on critics best 
> expresses my thoughts on the subject.  Many years ago I read that "a 
> literary critic is a person who reads into literary work meanings 
> which would have never come to mind of an averagely intelligent 
> writer" (quoted from memory and translated from Polish).
> The literary criticism assignments we had seemed to me like a post 
> mortem; the poems could never come back to life after the dissection.
> I like what I like and I do not apologize for it.
> Cheers
>
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 18:27, Charles Suhor <csuhor at zebra.net 
> <mailto:csuhor at zebra.net>> wrote:
>
>     Agree with Stan. It's a matter of personal taste, but also of
>     expansion of taste, which works for some in some directions and
>     not for others. A parallel on my experience is in literature. When
>     I first read T.S. Eliot/'s "Waste Land" in college, I thought it
>     was sort of insane. After reading more modern poetry, I "got" that
>     it's is a different aesthetic. I treasured Eliot'c collected works
>     and became an English teacher with an abiding love for most
>     literature. But not all. I still find most of Milton booorring,
>     though I know he was a genius. In jazz, I'm fondest of traditional
>     jazz and bebop, but can't stay with most free form jazz. In
>     classical music, Bach is very much like God, and I levitate when I
>     hear much of Bartok and Stravinsky. Opera pretty much eludes me. I
>     can give "reasons" why my faves are my faves but we're each bribed
>     in a sense by our own history. Let that be an appreciation of the
>     great variety of life and fodder for discussion. Hey, I think
>     that's what we're doing, for the most part.
>
>     Charlie
>
>     > On Oct 29, 2018, at 2:15 AM, Stan Brager <stanbrager at gmail.com
>     <mailto:stanbrager at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     > From what you've expressed, I understand that you find musical
>     pleasure in a personal feeling for some forms of music. There is
>     nothing wrong with that.
>     >
>     > On the other hand, there are others who appreciate the flow of
>     more forms of music as well. My personal experience has been to
>     appreciate these other forms of music as well. It's taken time and
>     critical listening to get to that point. To be honest, there are
>     some works of music which I do not like.
>     >
>     > When many of the modern composers have presented their music,
>     they were panned. Yet, after listening to a piece for a time, a
>     person can learn to appreciate it.
>     >
>     > What, after all, is music or art?
>     >
>     > Stan
>     > Stan Brager
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: Steve Voce [mailto:stevevoce at virginmedia.com
>     <mailto:stevevoce at virginmedia.com>]
>     > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:49 AM
>     > To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>     <mailto:dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>     > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>     <mailto:dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>>
>     > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of
>     Music
>     >
>     > It seems like a very laboured way of saying "hot".
>     >
>     > Steve Voce
>     >
>     >
>     > On 28/10/2018 15:22, Dan Spink wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >       I have never authored an original email to this list. I
>     hope your readers find this interesting. All of the years I've
>     played piano in different bands I've noticed that the music I
>     truly love can be easily categorized harmonically and
>     rhythmically--but I've never seen anyone comment on this idea.
>     Maybe the list mates have some opinions:
>     >
>     >       The music I love I call "emotional" music which I contrast
>     with "intellectual" music. The first is harmonically centered on
>     triads and sevenths with a clearly "felt" two-beat or four beat.
>     This includes Dixieland, folk, church hymns, Rock, and even
>     Classical. The opposite I see as dissonance focus and a steady but
>     not easily felt four beat. I was playing in the Fifties when I
>     sensed the split in "Jazz". I do not wish to offend anyone, but I
>     do not like Bebop or what could be called "Modern Jazz" with so
>     many complex, dissonant chords I can't tell them apart sometimes.
>     >
>     >       My bias may not be appreciated but I respect musical skill
>     in any genre.
>     >
>     >       Any comments from anyone?
>     >
>     >       Dan Spink
>     >
>     >
>     >
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