[Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music
Steve Voce
stevevoce at virginmedia.com
Tue Oct 30 05:07:14 EDT 2018
The foremost reason that people don't like a kind of music (not the only
reason) is that they don't understand it. Except in the case of Gilbert
& Sullivan, which can be hated on first hearing.
Steve Voce
On 29/10/2018 20:27, Marek Boym wrote:
> Must one really give reasons for liking this or that? I don't think
> so. It speaks to me, and this does not. With all the explanations,
> Coltrane still sounds to me like musical torture, exposure to which
> for too long (over 20 seconds) would lead me to confessing the
> assassination of Kennedy and even Lincoln just to stop the din!
> I, too, studied English literature, but the more modern "poetry" I
> read, the more I hated it. Johnny Frigo's poem on critics best
> expresses my thoughts on the subject. Many years ago I read that "a
> literary critic is a person who reads into literary work meanings
> which would have never come to mind of an averagely intelligent
> writer" (quoted from memory and translated from Polish).
> The literary criticism assignments we had seemed to me like a post
> mortem; the poems could never come back to life after the dissection.
> I like what I like and I do not apologize for it.
> Cheers
>
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 18:27, Charles Suhor <csuhor at zebra.net
> <mailto:csuhor at zebra.net>> wrote:
>
> Agree with Stan. It's a matter of personal taste, but also of
> expansion of taste, which works for some in some directions and
> not for others. A parallel on my experience is in literature. When
> I first read T.S. Eliot/'s "Waste Land" in college, I thought it
> was sort of insane. After reading more modern poetry, I "got" that
> it's is a different aesthetic. I treasured Eliot'c collected works
> and became an English teacher with an abiding love for most
> literature. But not all. I still find most of Milton booorring,
> though I know he was a genius. In jazz, I'm fondest of traditional
> jazz and bebop, but can't stay with most free form jazz. In
> classical music, Bach is very much like God, and I levitate when I
> hear much of Bartok and Stravinsky. Opera pretty much eludes me. I
> can give "reasons" why my faves are my faves but we're each bribed
> in a sense by our own history. Let that be an appreciation of the
> great variety of life and fodder for discussion. Hey, I think
> that's what we're doing, for the most part.
>
> Charlie
>
> > On Oct 29, 2018, at 2:15 AM, Stan Brager <stanbrager at gmail.com
> <mailto:stanbrager at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > From what you've expressed, I understand that you find musical
> pleasure in a personal feeling for some forms of music. There is
> nothing wrong with that.
> >
> > On the other hand, there are others who appreciate the flow of
> more forms of music as well. My personal experience has been to
> appreciate these other forms of music as well. It's taken time and
> critical listening to get to that point. To be honest, there are
> some works of music which I do not like.
> >
> > When many of the modern composers have presented their music,
> they were panned. Yet, after listening to a piece for a time, a
> person can learn to appreciate it.
> >
> > What, after all, is music or art?
> >
> > Stan
> > Stan Brager
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Voce [mailto:stevevoce at virginmedia.com
> <mailto:stevevoce at virginmedia.com>]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:49 AM
> > To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of
> Music
> >
> > It seems like a very laboured way of saying "hot".
> >
> > Steve Voce
> >
> >
> > On 28/10/2018 15:22, Dan Spink wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have never authored an original email to this list. I
> hope your readers find this interesting. All of the years I've
> played piano in different bands I've noticed that the music I
> truly love can be easily categorized harmonically and
> rhythmically--but I've never seen anyone comment on this idea.
> Maybe the list mates have some opinions:
> >
> > The music I love I call "emotional" music which I contrast
> with "intellectual" music. The first is harmonically centered on
> triads and sevenths with a clearly "felt" two-beat or four beat.
> This includes Dixieland, folk, church hymns, Rock, and even
> Classical. The opposite I see as dissonance focus and a steady but
> not easily felt four beat. I was playing in the Fifties when I
> sensed the split in "Jazz". I do not wish to offend anyone, but I
> do not like Bebop or what could be called "Modern Jazz" with so
> many complex, dissonant chords I can't tell them apart sometimes.
> >
> > My bias may not be appreciated but I respect musical skill
> in any genre.
> >
> > Any comments from anyone?
> >
> > Dan Spink
> >
> >
> >
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