[Dixielandjazz] Dixielandjazz Digest, Vol 190, Issue 26

Dan Spink danspink at dceo.rutgers.edu
Mon Oct 29 16:26:11 EDT 2018 

Dear Steve:

A good point. Perhaps I should differentiate between emotional "crazy" and
emotional "beautiful". Forgive me, but I am still struggling to "like" The
Rolling Stones music because I want to understand why my friends rave on
about them. One of them said: "I just love to watch them jump around the
stage and yell all night long; I can't do that anymore." OK. And the last
Elton John concert I went to I couldn't hear most of his piano and singing
performance due to the screaming. Maybe you can help me understand what you
mean by "hot". I really want to understand this kind of "hot".

Thanks,

Dan Spink

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>    3. Re: A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music (Ron L'Herault)
>    4. OKOMological InnFestications (ROBERT R. CALDER)
>    5. Re: A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music (Marek Boym)
>    6. Sunday November 4th,      With New Melbourne Jazz Band at The
>       Village Green Hotel (Ross Anderson)
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> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 16:49:06 +0000
> From: Steve Voce <stevevoce at virginmedia.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music
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> It seems like a very laboured way of saying "hot".
>
> Steve Voce
>
> On 28/10/2018 15:22, Dan Spink wrote:
> > I have never authored an original email to this list. I hope your
> > readers find this interesting. All of the years I've played piano in
> > different bands I've noticed that the music I truly love can be easily
> > categorized harmonically and rhythmically--but I've never seen anyone
> > comment on this idea. Maybe the list mates have some opinions:
> >
> > The music I love I call "emotional" music which I contrast with
> > "intellectual" music. The first is harmonically centered on triads and
> > sevenths with a clearly "felt" two-beat or four beat. This includes
> > Dixieland, folk, church hymns, Rock, and even Classical. The opposite
> > I see as dissonance focus and a steady but not easily felt four beat.
> > I was playing in the Fifties when I sensed the split in "Jazz". I do
> > not wish to offend anyone, but I do not like Bebop or what could be
> > called "Modern Jazz" with so many complex, dissonant chords I can't
> > tell them apart sometimes.
> >
> > My bias may not be appreciated but I respect musical skill in any genre.
> >
> > Any comments from anyone?
> >
> > Dan Spink
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> From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
> To: Steve Voce <stevevoce at virginmedia.com>
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> Dan includes rock, hymns and even some classical music.  Not all really
> "hot."
> Your email, by the way, again arrived in spam.
> Cheers
>
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 19:11, Steve Voce <stevevoce at virginmedia.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It seems like a very laboured way of saying "hot".
> >
> > Steve Voce
> > On 28/10/2018 15:22, Dan Spink wrote:
> >
> > I have never authored an original email to this list. I hope your readers
> > find this interesting. All of the years I've played piano in different
> > bands I've noticed that the music I truly love can be easily categorized
> > harmonically and rhythmically--but I've never seen anyone comment on this
> > idea. Maybe the list mates have some opinions:
> >
> > The music I love I call "emotional" music which I contrast with
> > "intellectual" music. The first is harmonically centered on triads and
> > sevenths with a clearly "felt" two-beat or four beat. This includes
> > Dixieland, folk, church hymns, Rock, and even Classical. The opposite I
> see
> > as dissonance focus and a steady but not easily felt four beat. I was
> > playing in the Fifties when I sensed the split in "Jazz". I do not wish
> to
> > offend anyone, but I do not like Bebop or what could be called "Modern
> > Jazz" with so many complex, dissonant chords I can't tell them apart
> > sometimes.
> >
> > My bias may not be appreciated but I respect musical skill in any genre.
> >
> > Any comments from anyone?
> >
> > Dan Spink
> >
> >
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> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 17:25:01 -0400
> From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
> To: "'Dan Spink'" <danspink at dceo.rutgers.edu>
> Cc: 'Dixieland Jazz Mailing List' <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music
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> Don?t know if it is for the same reason but I?m with you.   Modern
> music/jazz leaves me cold.  I can?t connect with it.
>
>
>
> Ron L
>
>
>
> From: Dan Spink [mailto:danspink at dceo.rutgers.edu]
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:22 AM
> To: Ron
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music
>
>
>
> I have never authored an original email to this list. I hope your readers
> find this interesting. All of the years I've played piano in different
> bands I've noticed that the music I truly love can be easily categorized
> harmonically and rhythmically--but I've never seen anyone comment on this
> idea. Maybe the list mates have some opinions:
>
>
>
> The music I love I call "emotional" music which I contrast with
> "intellectual" music. The first is harmonically centered on triads and
> sevenths with a clearly "felt" two-beat or four beat. This includes
> Dixieland, folk, church hymns, Rock, and even Classical. The opposite I see
> as dissonance focus and a steady but not easily felt four beat. I was
> playing in the Fifties when I sensed the split in "Jazz". I do not wish to
> offend anyone, but I do not like Bebop or what could be called "Modern
> Jazz" with so many complex, dissonant chords I can't tell them apart
> sometimes.
>
>
>
> My bias may not be appreciated but I respect musical skill in any genre.
>
>
>
> Any comments from anyone?
>
>
>
> Dan Spink
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 22:43:22 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "ROBERT R. CALDER" <serapion at btinternet.com>
> To: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] OKOMological InnFestications
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> I welcome the pianist with his distinctions between, well, I suppose what
> Hugues Panassie called THE REAL JAZZ, and what other folks would call jazz
> when he wouldn't. The point about Panassie was well made by Stanley Dance,
> to the effect that however one might frown on his disapproval of quite a
> lot of stuff, the man had and was driven by a very good "ear", meaning he
> could hear differences in musical character and value, such that some
> people who dismissed him as over-exclusive weren't so muc tolerant as a
> little or more cloth-eared. He's worth reading!
>
> as for the more cloth-ear'dly exclusive (alas some of the judgments of the
> in some respects great Brian Rust, not to mention him whose name I know
> not, who deplored Coleman Hawkins' falling away to tenor saxophone when his
> real genius lay with the long horn associated with Adrian Rollini, Joe
> Rushton et -- pronounce the last syllable on the bottom note of the piano
> -- al.
>
> There is a mildly amusing poem called ??? THE PURIST which I must dig out
> of a stray copy of an English jazz mag from 1949 or 1950 (before I was
> born!). Here, anyway, infra infraque dignitatem, are a few verses to the
> sister of the central figure in that poem, which as I recall pretended to
> the autobiographical. Of course given the slowness of granting due rights
> to woman, Banjolillie's stringed instrument will be idle tomorrow (Monday)
> and the only music in earshot of her washboard will be a worksong she
> (stylistic descriptor) moans while raising a lather on a pair of shorts
> even Bart Simpson wouldn't suggest anybody but a goat ate.
> Robert R. Calder
>
> BANJOLILLIE
>
> She'd a temper, and if you wanted to spark 'er  just play some very rapid
> Charlie Parker,
>   for she surely loathed any master of bop, with each bar she twitched
> more,? unable to stop, her mood getting darker and darker? . . .?
>
>   As for how that was finished and done
>   you'd not know. See it start, you knew you'd to run...
> And the guys who tried on her 'Trane recorded live
> didn't according to witnesses survive.
> And there was a "less musical than Attilla" Hun.
>
> She had this thing how Pearl Harbor began
> a blitz on the truly American --first it was Zeros from up in the sky
> then the bombs came from drummers with hats too high
> and a sound like her mother with pot and pan ...
>
> It maybe seems self-indulgent and silly
> but I liked at a distance dear Banjolillie
> if not quite her "why does all newer stuff suck?"One has to allow that she
> didn't lack pluck --till the dear old ... replied to her "Shout 'em, Aunt
> Tillie!"
>
> RRC
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> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 01:33:13 +0200
> From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
> To: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
> Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music
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> As far as I am concerned, "modern" as apply to arts just has one spare
> letter - it should only have four.
> Cheers
>
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 00:21, Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Don?t know if it is for the same reason but I?m with you.   Modern
> > music/jazz leaves me cold.  I can?t connect with it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron L
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Dan Spink [mailto:danspink at dceo.rutgers.edu]
> > *Sent:* Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:22 AM
> > *To:* Ron
> > *Cc:* Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> > *Subject:* [Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music
> >
> >
> >
> > I have never authored an original email to this list. I hope your readers
> > find this interesting. All of the years I've played piano in different
> > bands I've noticed that the music I truly love can be easily categorized
> > harmonically and rhythmically--but I've never seen anyone comment on this
> > idea. Maybe the list mates have some opinions:
> >
> >
> >
> > The music I love I call "emotional" music which I contrast with
> > "intellectual" music. The first is harmonically centered on triads and
> > sevenths with a clearly "felt" two-beat or four beat. This includes
> > Dixieland, folk, church hymns, Rock, and even Classical. The opposite I
> see
> > as dissonance focus and a steady but not easily felt four beat. I was
> > playing in the Fifties when I sensed the split in "Jazz". I do not wish
> to
> > offend anyone, but I do not like Bebop or what could be called "Modern
> > Jazz" with so many complex, dissonant chords I can't tell them apart
> > sometimes.
> >
> >
> >
> > My bias may not be appreciated but I respect musical skill in any genre.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any comments from anyone?
> >
> >
> >
> > Dan Spink
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 15:53:54 +1100
> From: "Ross Anderson" <rossanmjband at iprimus.com.au>
> To: "Dixieland" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Sunday November 4th,   With New Melbourne Jazz
>         Band at The Village Green Hotel
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> Dear Friends,
>
> This Sunday November 4th, The New Melbourne Jazz Band will be at
>
> The Village Green Hotel, Corner of Ferntree Gully and Springvale Roads,
> Mulgrave.
>
> Doors open 11 am , Band plays "Lots Of
> Fun/Dixieland/Swinging/Singing/Dancing JAZZ"
>
> >From 12-30pm-till-3-30pm.
>
> Please phone 9560 8400 to book a table for "Great Service and Food" and
> lots
> of "JAZZZZZ"
>
> Thank youse all for your support , See you all There.
>
> Cheers, Ross
>
> 98012237
>
> PS, All so you can phone same number to book for New Years Eve ( 9560 8400)
>
> .
>
> www.newmelbournejazzband.com <http://www.newmelbournejazzband.com>
>
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