[Dixielandjazz] Dixielandjazz Digest, Vol 190, Issue 26
Matija Gregorka
matija.gregorka at gmail.com
Mon Oct 29 07:22:28 EDT 2018
Here it is my five cents to the description of the OKOM music as Dan Spinks
wrote: I think that there is a very distinct and easy to remember melody
line by dixieland compositions. I keep a dixieland band and recently we got
a new trumpet player. Academic jazz education degree but without any sense
for melodic line. The problem is that dixieland is not interesting for
young teachers which even themselves cannot play it. Their main interest is
as complex harmony as possible with tritonus substitutes where ever it is
possible. They use to play a certain modus over a chord with many augmented
or diminished 9th, 11th and 13th. To me it sound awful. One of my college
says that she would prefer to visit a dentist then listening to free jazz
music. And so do I.
Cheers!
Matija
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> 3. Re: A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music (Ron L'Herault)
> 4. OKOMological InnFestications (ROBERT R. CALDER)
> 5. Re: A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music (Marek Boym)
> 6. Sunday November 4th, With New Melbourne Jazz Band at The
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> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 16:49:06 +0000
> From: Steve Voce <stevevoce at virginmedia.com>
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> It seems like a very laboured way of saying "hot".
>
> Steve Voce
>
> On 28/10/2018 15:22, Dan Spink wrote:
> > I have never authored an original email to this list. I hope your
> > readers find this interesting. All of the years I've played piano in
> > different bands I've noticed that the music I truly love can be easily
> > categorized harmonically and rhythmically--but I've never seen anyone
> > comment on this idea. Maybe the list mates have some opinions:
> >
> > The music I love I call "emotional" music which I contrast with
> > "intellectual" music. The first is harmonically centered on triads and
> > sevenths with a clearly "felt" two-beat or four beat. This includes
> > Dixieland, folk, church hymns, Rock, and even Classical. The opposite
> > I see as dissonance focus and a steady but not easily felt four beat.
> > I was playing in the Fifties when I sensed the split in "Jazz". I do
> > not wish to offend anyone, but I do not like Bebop or what could be
> > called "Modern Jazz" with so many complex, dissonant chords I can't
> > tell them apart sometimes.
> >
> > My bias may not be appreciated but I respect musical skill in any genre.
> >
> > Any comments from anyone?
> >
> > Dan Spink
> >
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> From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
> To: Steve Voce <stevevoce at virginmedia.com>
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> Dan includes rock, hymns and even some classical music. Not all really
> "hot."
> Your email, by the way, again arrived in spam.
> Cheers
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> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 19:11, Steve Voce <stevevoce at virginmedia.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It seems like a very laboured way of saying "hot".
> >
> > Steve Voce
> > On 28/10/2018 15:22, Dan Spink wrote:
> >
> > I have never authored an original email to this list. I hope your readers
> > find this interesting. All of the years I've played piano in different
> > bands I've noticed that the music I truly love can be easily categorized
> > harmonically and rhythmically--but I've never seen anyone comment on this
> > idea. Maybe the list mates have some opinions:
> >
> > The music I love I call "emotional" music which I contrast with
> > "intellectual" music. The first is harmonically centered on triads and
> > sevenths with a clearly "felt" two-beat or four beat. This includes
> > Dixieland, folk, church hymns, Rock, and even Classical. The opposite I
> see
> > as dissonance focus and a steady but not easily felt four beat. I was
> > playing in the Fifties when I sensed the split in "Jazz". I do not wish
> to
> > offend anyone, but I do not like Bebop or what could be called "Modern
> > Jazz" with so many complex, dissonant chords I can't tell them apart
> > sometimes.
> >
> > My bias may not be appreciated but I respect musical skill in any genre.
> >
> > Any comments from anyone?
> >
> > Dan Spink
> >
> >
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> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 17:25:01 -0400
> From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
> To: "'Dan Spink'" <danspink at dceo.rutgers.edu>
> Cc: 'Dixieland Jazz Mailing List' <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music
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> Don?t know if it is for the same reason but I?m with you. Modern
> music/jazz leaves me cold. I can?t connect with it.
>
>
>
> Ron L
>
>
>
> From: Dan Spink [mailto:danspink at dceo.rutgers.edu]
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:22 AM
> To: Ron
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music
>
>
>
> I have never authored an original email to this list. I hope your readers
> find this interesting. All of the years I've played piano in different
> bands I've noticed that the music I truly love can be easily categorized
> harmonically and rhythmically--but I've never seen anyone comment on this
> idea. Maybe the list mates have some opinions:
>
>
>
> The music I love I call "emotional" music which I contrast with
> "intellectual" music. The first is harmonically centered on triads and
> sevenths with a clearly "felt" two-beat or four beat. This includes
> Dixieland, folk, church hymns, Rock, and even Classical. The opposite I see
> as dissonance focus and a steady but not easily felt four beat. I was
> playing in the Fifties when I sensed the split in "Jazz". I do not wish to
> offend anyone, but I do not like Bebop or what could be called "Modern
> Jazz" with so many complex, dissonant chords I can't tell them apart
> sometimes.
>
>
>
> My bias may not be appreciated but I respect musical skill in any genre.
>
>
>
> Any comments from anyone?
>
>
>
> Dan Spink
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
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> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 22:43:22 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "ROBERT R. CALDER" <serapion at btinternet.com>
> To: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] OKOMological InnFestications
> Message-ID: <1852424309.27189945.1540766602480 at mail.yahoo.com>
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> I welcome the pianist with his distinctions between, well, I suppose what
> Hugues Panassie called THE REAL JAZZ, and what other folks would call jazz
> when he wouldn't. The point about Panassie was well made by Stanley Dance,
> to the effect that however one might frown on his disapproval of quite a
> lot of stuff, the man had and was driven by a very good "ear", meaning he
> could hear differences in musical character and value, such that some
> people who dismissed him as over-exclusive weren't so muc tolerant as a
> little or more cloth-eared. He's worth reading!
>
> as for the more cloth-ear'dly exclusive (alas some of the judgments of the
> in some respects great Brian Rust, not to mention him whose name I know
> not, who deplored Coleman Hawkins' falling away to tenor saxophone when his
> real genius lay with the long horn associated with Adrian Rollini, Joe
> Rushton et -- pronounce the last syllable on the bottom note of the piano
> -- al.
>
> There is a mildly amusing poem called ??? THE PURIST which I must dig out
> of a stray copy of an English jazz mag from 1949 or 1950 (before I was
> born!). Here, anyway, infra infraque dignitatem, are a few verses to the
> sister of the central figure in that poem, which as I recall pretended to
> the autobiographical. Of course given the slowness of granting due rights
> to woman, Banjolillie's stringed instrument will be idle tomorrow (Monday)
> and the only music in earshot of her washboard will be a worksong she
> (stylistic descriptor) moans while raising a lather on a pair of shorts
> even Bart Simpson wouldn't suggest anybody but a goat ate.
> Robert R. Calder
>
> BANJOLILLIE
>
> She'd a temper, and if you wanted to spark 'er just play some very rapid
> Charlie Parker,
> for she surely loathed any master of bop, with each bar she twitched
> more,? unable to stop, her mood getting darker and darker? . . .?
>
> As for how that was finished and done
> you'd not know. See it start, you knew you'd to run...
> And the guys who tried on her 'Trane recorded live
> didn't according to witnesses survive.
> And there was a "less musical than Attilla" Hun.
>
> She had this thing how Pearl Harbor began
> a blitz on the truly American --first it was Zeros from up in the sky
> then the bombs came from drummers with hats too high
> and a sound like her mother with pot and pan ...
>
> It maybe seems self-indulgent and silly
> but I liked at a distance dear Banjolillie
> if not quite her "why does all newer stuff suck?"One has to allow that she
> didn't lack pluck --till the dear old ... replied to her "Shout 'em, Aunt
> Tillie!"
>
> RRC
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 01:33:13 +0200
> From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
> To: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
> Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music
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> As far as I am concerned, "modern" as apply to arts just has one spare
> letter - it should only have four.
> Cheers
>
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 00:21, Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Don?t know if it is for the same reason but I?m with you. Modern
> > music/jazz leaves me cold. I can?t connect with it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron L
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Dan Spink [mailto:danspink at dceo.rutgers.edu]
> > *Sent:* Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:22 AM
> > *To:* Ron
> > *Cc:* Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> > *Subject:* [Dixielandjazz] A Simple Way To Define Our Kind Of Music
> >
> >
> >
> > I have never authored an original email to this list. I hope your readers
> > find this interesting. All of the years I've played piano in different
> > bands I've noticed that the music I truly love can be easily categorized
> > harmonically and rhythmically--but I've never seen anyone comment on this
> > idea. Maybe the list mates have some opinions:
> >
> >
> >
> > The music I love I call "emotional" music which I contrast with
> > "intellectual" music. The first is harmonically centered on triads and
> > sevenths with a clearly "felt" two-beat or four beat. This includes
> > Dixieland, folk, church hymns, Rock, and even Classical. The opposite I
> see
> > as dissonance focus and a steady but not easily felt four beat. I was
> > playing in the Fifties when I sensed the split in "Jazz". I do not wish
> to
> > offend anyone, but I do not like Bebop or what could be called "Modern
> > Jazz" with so many complex, dissonant chords I can't tell them apart
> > sometimes.
> >
> >
> >
> > My bias may not be appreciated but I respect musical skill in any genre.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any comments from anyone?
> >
> >
> >
> > Dan Spink
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 15:53:54 +1100
> From: "Ross Anderson" <rossanmjband at iprimus.com.au>
> To: "Dixieland" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Sunday November 4th, With New Melbourne Jazz
> Band at The Village Green Hotel
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> Dear Friends,
>
> This Sunday November 4th, The New Melbourne Jazz Band will be at
>
> The Village Green Hotel, Corner of Ferntree Gully and Springvale Roads,
> Mulgrave.
>
> Doors open 11 am , Band plays "Lots Of
> Fun/Dixieland/Swinging/Singing/Dancing JAZZ"
>
> >From 12-30pm-till-3-30pm.
>
> Please phone 9560 8400 to book a table for "Great Service and Food" and
> lots
> of "JAZZZZZ"
>
> Thank youse all for your support , See you all There.
>
> Cheers, Ross
>
> 98012237
>
> PS, All so you can phone same number to book for New Years Eve ( 9560 8400)
>
> .
>
> www.newmelbournejazzband.com <http://www.newmelbournejazzband.com>
>
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