[Dixielandjazz] Joe Turner (was two comments -- and swing)

Tue Jun 20 16:32:51 EDT 2017

Of the Joe Turner discography I am well aware  . . .ta!
I did find an excellent Joe Turner LP on the Chiaroscuro label, which is I think from USA -- I got mine in Canada ..And GHB/ Jazzology has reissued the sometime English 77 label LP, a private tape made to solace Johnny Simmen 

Was the PABLO one issued in USA? Half of it was recorded over (T)here (T or no T depending on where you are). 
There is the Washboard band on YouTube, 
and those delectable items with Albert Nicholas under an Adrian Rollini banner...  
Rather a lot in Europe, from Prague to London ...
I do remember one of his compositions is pretty well identical to ERROL'S BOUNCE 

ttfn, Marek!!!Robert

      From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
 To: ROBERT R. CALDER <serapion at btinternet.com> 
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2017, 20:15
 Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Joe Turner (was two comments -- and swing)

Hello Robert,
The pianist Joe Turner recorded very little in the US. He spent most of his life and cut most of his records in Europe; hence, those records  were not widely distributed in the States.  Classic Jazz issued one (perhaps more), but it was originally made for the French Black&Blue label.
Cheers

On 20 June 2017 at 20:35, ROBERT R. CALDER <serapion at btinternet.com> wrote:

I refer to the English saxophonist/ writer etc. Benny Green's citation of the piano-playing Joe Turner(whom one unfortunate on Amazon thought had recorded little. I commented otherwise!)And Joe was on a TV show with Oscar Peterson (which I have never seen)and he said that when he was a lot younger, people had a lot more fun with music. 

Dammit if Buck Clayton could swing and sound happy enough on a gig I saw on TV, which I have on a hissy audio tape, and in the second half of the concert Humphrey Lyttelton had to take over (Buck was in physical pain with lip trouble, and doubtless his soul hurt too!) what is amiss with a smile? 
I am not talking about for instance a Clark Terry session of supposedly "happy jazz", which was plain banal, oppressively lightweight. 

I remember the boogalooing youngsters of a New Orleans marching band. They swung. And so did the German folks playing the same stuff in the same way when I heard them in the street in Konstanz in Germany (about a block away from where I heard a strolling Italian clarinetist in summer playing Bechet tunes unaccompanied. What ambitions have musicians?

Probably part of the US problem is a tendency to classify music not in musical terms but according to a crude and uninformed approximation to chronology. The same crap as induced some young ignoramus to conclude that since Charlie Parker was a player his father admired, Parker must have been "a Dixieland saxophone player".

But there's no obligation to imitate Parker all the time, Sonny Stitt swung more, and perhaps now rather than the stiltedness of people trying to play jazz long, long ago, without quite the grasp required by an idiom new to them, and maybe most folks, younger musicians might be strung up on noise and strident intensity.  

have fun!

Robert R. Calder

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