[Dixielandjazz] Roy Eldridge followed Louis Armstrong?

[Charles Suhor]

Apology accepted, with respect. Re Miles, I lost interest in his playing with the famed “Bitches’ Brew” rock/jazz synthesis, though I believe his playing until then was often brilliant, sometimes transporting. I don’t relate at all to the post-Coltrane improvisers for whom formlessness is a stimulus. Random invention is sometimes fun to watch on site—they’re trying their luck in real time. But without physical presence, there’s not even the wonderment of  unfolding-in-the-moment. Why listen to something that has become a non-event? That’s my hobby horse, time to dismount.

Charlie



> On Apr 10, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com <mailto:marekboym at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Sorry.  I didn't mean to be offensive.
> I made the journey the other way round: I started listening to everything when in my teens. including rock and roll, which in my native Poland (and later here in Israel) was considered jazz, and became greatly disappointed by modernists, in particular by the then greatest hero, Miles Davis, before I ever heard Wild Bill Davison.  I had known the Brubecks ("Blue Rondo a la Turk," for example) and the MJQ records by heart before I ever heard ABOUT Wild Bill.  Gradually I lost all interest in their cool, to my ear - lifeless - music.  By the mid 1960's  I dropped most "modern" jazz and concentrated on jazz and swing.  I cannot see the connection between Miles Davis and jazz.  nothing wrong in liking Miles Davis - it just does not sound like jazz.  Eddie Condon had something to say on the subject: "A terrible thing has happened to jazz: it became respectable."  That must be the reason while so many musicians want their music classified as jazz.  I wish I could claim this is an original idea, but the explanation comes from Hughes Panassie's "The Unreal Jazz."
> I apologize again,
> Marek
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> 
> 
> On 11 April 2017 at 00:42, Charles Suhor <csuhor at zebra.net <mailto:csuhor at zebra.net>> wrote:
> Marek, I came by my fandom honestly. Born and raised in New Orleans; before my teens, enchanted (still am) by Bunk, Louis, Bechet, and others. Moved along, without burning the bridges of my love for early jazz, to enjoying and playing drums in many styles. Gigged with big band and modern jazz groups on some weekends, on others with Armand Hug, Chink Martin, Paul Crawford, etc. But from inside your bubble, I’m not a jazz fan. You’re entitled to your opinion, man, but that’s an insult.
> 
> Charlie
> 
>> On Apr 10, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com <mailto:marekboym at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> some of us do not consider Miles Davis followers jazz fans, which makes the preceding part of this post irrelevant. 
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