[Dixielandjazz] Tram - Clifford Brown

[Robert Ringwald]

OK guys,

I didn't see the email that Marek is responding to here. Perhaps it was sent 
to him off-list?

At any rate, this is getting a bit over the polite line that DJML is noted 
for.

Please remember that DJML is a friendly List and that the Jazz community is 
small. We don't need to insult each other and have hard feelings.

We can discuss Jazz without getting insulting.

So let's all step back, take a deep breath and put a CD or LP on of our 
preference and go on to something else. I think this topic has been beat 
enough.

-Bob Ringwald
DJML Moderator


-----Original Message----- 
From: Marek Boym
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 8:15 AM
To: Bob Ringwald
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Tram - Clifford Brown

On 28 April 2015 at 17:56, Steve Voce <stevevoce at virginmedia.com> wrote:

> So,Marek, you just scatter a random handful of insults around ( thank you
> for omitting my treasured Miles Davis) and hope to walk away.
>

I didn't realize that not playing jazz was an insult.  And as to walking
away - since this is a Dixieland Jazz list, I consider the whole thread off
topic.



> Fortunately for you, you have no trouble finding people to insult because
> your knowledge of jazz is so limited that you hate 95 per cent of its
> musicians.



You may say whatever you please, but my knowledge of jazz is quite
extensive, including, unfortunately, musicians who purported to play jazz.
I certainly hope not to need to hear them again!


> And of course you don't let your ignorance of what they do or how they
> play prevent you from being rude about them.
>

I did not realize that saying a person didn't play jazz was rude.  Unlike
attribution of ignorance.


> Your knowledge of jazz seems to be infantile (I hate to think of what
> these much-vaunted 'live' sessions that you are always going on about must
> be like). I feel that your knowledge of music in general must be juvenile.
> And I hate how you manage all the time to draw me in with your idiotic
> statements!
>

I do not draw you - you like to be "drawn!"  Conceit is not a great
intellectual advantage.  The sessions I attend are traditional jazz.  not
the kind which some people insist on calling jazz.

OK. Now, as far as I'm concerned, you CAN walk away.
>

Thank you fro being so kind!

Cheers

>
> Steve Voce
>
>
> > On 28 Apr 2015, at 15:07, Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Stan,
> > Had you followed the entire thread, you would have read that I had the
> > misfortune to hear them all, including Coltrane, Hubbard, Ornette
> Coleman -
> > tho whole lot.
> > Anyway, it seems time to end this very much OT discussion.
> > Cheers
> >
> >> On 28 April 2015 at 07:22, Stan Brager <sbrager at verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Marek;
> >>
> >> When you state that you do not consider [Clifford] Brown a* jazz*
> >> musician, I can only assume that you're familiar with the form of jazz
> >> which Brown plays. That you've critically listened to and studied  to
> >> some degree that particular genre. If that's true, then I can accept
> your
> >> personal feelings of Brown's music.
> >>
> >> If that isn't true, then how can you possibly consider whether or not
> >> Brown is a jazz musician?
> >>
> >> Stan
> >>
> >> Stan Brager
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Marek Boym [mailto:marekboym at gmail.com <marekboym at gmail.com>]
> >> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 7:00 AM
> >> To: Robert Ringwald
> >> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Tram - Clifford Brown
> >>
> >>> Brown is beyond the scope - I do not consider Brown a jazz musician.
> >>
> >>> (Snip)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Dear Marek,
> >>
> >>
> >>> If Brown is not a Jazz musician, what is he?
> >>
> >>
> >>> He is most sirtenly a great Jazz musician. He may not play in the
> >>
> >>> style you like, but to deny that he is a Jazz musician is ridiculous.
> >>
> >>
> >> Perhaps it is ridiculous - not to my ears.  I have always found his
> music
> >> boring.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> -Bob Ringwald
> >>
> >>
> >>
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