[Dixielandjazz] Tram - Clifford Brown

[Paul Kurtz Jr]

We can all walk away and can walk away friends because WE ALL DO like the dixieland or we wouldn’t be here. 

The problem for me is that in all of the argument, I’ve not gotten a definition from the naysayers as to what Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Clifford Brown, and others’ music is. You know, there’s classical music that I absolutely despise but that doesn’t mean it’s not classical music. It just means it’s not My TYPE of classical music. My buddy, now deceased, who liked big band music of the 40s and decided not to go farther forward didn’t say the newer music wasn’t jazz; he just didn’t like it. 

I honestly don’t think, unfortunately, that I’m going to get an answer. 

Paul Kurtz Jacksonville, FL
> On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Steve Voce <stevevoce at virginmedia.com> wrote:
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>>> OK. Now, as far as I'm concerned, you CAN walk away.
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>> Thank you fro being so kind!
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>> Cheers 
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> My pleasure, Marek.
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> Steve Voce
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>>>> On 28 Apr 2015, at 15:07, Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Hello Stan,
>>>> Had you followed the entire thread, you would have read that I had the
>>>> misfortune to hear them all, including Coltrane, Hubbard, Ornette Coleman -
>>>> tho whole lot.
>>>> Anyway, it seems time to end this very much OT discussion.
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>>> On 28 April 2015 at 07:22, Stan Brager <sbrager at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marek;
>>>>> 
>>>>> When you state that you do not consider [Clifford] Brown a* jazz*
>>>>> musician, I can only assume that you're familiar with the form of jazz
>>>>> which Brown plays. That you've critically listened to and studied  to
>>>>> some degree that particular genre. If that's true, then I can accept your
>>>>> personal feelings of Brown's music.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If that isn't true, then how can you possibly consider whether or not
>>>>> Brown is a jazz musician?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stan
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stan Brager
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Marek Boym [mailto:marekboym at gmail.com <marekboym at gmail.com>]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 7:00 AM
>>>>> To: Robert Ringwald
>>>>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Tram - Clifford Brown
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Brown is beyond the scope - I do not consider Brown a jazz musician.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> (Snip)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear Marek,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> If Brown is not a Jazz musician, what is he?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> He is most sirtenly a great Jazz musician. He may not play in the
>>>>> 
>>>>>> style you like, but to deny that he is a Jazz musician is ridiculous.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Perhaps it is ridiculous - not to my ears.  I have always found his music
>>>>> boring.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Bob Ringwald
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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