[Dixielandjazz] Dixielandjazz Digest, Vol 142, Issue 1 re lyrics Black and blue

Wed Oct 1 15:19:00 PDT 2014

Could you give details of the record, Lindsay?
Keith Smith and Chez Chesterman are about the closest to Red Allen - as
close as anybody is likely to get!  And Acker is not only a great player,
but also nostalgia - his was teh first western band I heard as a teenager.
BTW, when I told Chez that he reminded me of Red Allen, he replied: "You
couldn't have given me a greater compliment.  Red Allen is my idol; he is
my god!"
Cheers

On 1 October 2014 23:59, Lindsay Meech <lindsay.meech2012 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On a cd by the late British trumpeter Keith Smith on his label Hefty Jazz
> called "Forty years On "he does Black and Blue but on the sleeve notes
> calls it Lonesome and Blue with Black and Blue in brackets and fully
> acknowledging the composers but with slightly altered words,to suit a white
> singer.
> I don't think anyone could replace the real words but I guess Keith felt
> more comfortable with his adaptation.Incidentally Acker Bilk is on some
> tracks.
> Lindsay Meech
> Auckland New Zealand.
>
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> >   1. Looking for lyric (Richard Parks)
> >   2. Re: Looking for lyric (alevy at alevy.com)
> >   3. Re: Ross In Melbourne (Ross Anderson)
> >   4. For Dave Hanson (Jim Kashishian)
> >   5. Passed away (Gerard Bielderman)
> >   6. Re: Passed away (Marek Boym)
> >   7. "Black and Blue"  lyric (Richard Parks)
> >   8. Re: "Black and Blue" lyric (Gary Lawrence Murphy)
> >   9. FW:  "Black and Blue"  lyric (Jim Kashishian)
> >  10. Re: FW: "Black and Blue" lyric (Gary Lawrence Murphy)
> >  11. Re: FW: "Black and Blue" lyric (Ric Giorgi)
> >  12. Re: Passed away (Robert Ringwald)
> >  13. Re: "Black and Blue"  lyric (Robert Ringwald)
> >  14. Re: "Black and Blue"  lyric (Robert Ringwald)
> >  15. Re: FW: "Black and Blue" lyric (Charles Suhor)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:34:54 -0700
> > From: Richard Parks <dparks999 at verizon.net>
> > To: "dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Looking for lyric
> > Message-ID:
> >    <1412109294.6705.YahooMailNeo at web142606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Has anyone ever found lyric to "Black and Blue" that a white guy could
> sing without looking like a complete dork?
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:02:17 -0500
> > From: <alevy at alevy.com>
> > To: "Richard Parks" <dparks999 at verizon.net>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Looking for lyric
> > Message-ID: <000701cfdd0a$f70a69e0$0200000a at hsd1.tx.comcast.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hi Richard.
> > You wrote:
> > Has anyone ever found lyric to "Black and Blue" that a white guy could
> sing
> > without looking like a complete dork?
> > ============================
> > Frankie Laine sank. He's no dork.
> > Here's a link
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE01AvAUmAk
> > Cheers,
> > Al
> > Pianist, Composer, Arranger, Conductor, Teacher and Music Prep.
> > Please visit me at
> > http://alevy.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 16:44:12 +1000
> > From: "Ross Anderson" <rossanmjband at iprimus.com.au>
> > To: "'Robert Ringwald'" <rsr at ringwald.com>
> > Cc: 'Dixieland Jazz Mailing List' <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Ross In Melbourne
> > Message-ID: <A53889B3392C4680A0B1D9C91E02A556 at RossPC>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Dear Bob and list mates,
> > I am working on it !!!
> > Will let you all know when it happens.
> > Cheers, Ross
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dixielandjazz [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On
> > Behalf Of Robert Ringwald
> > Sent: Monday, 29 September 2014 3:54 PM
> > To: rossanmjband at iprimus.com.au
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Ross In Melbourne
> >
> > Hey Ross,
> >
> > How about setting up a web Cam and broadcasting one of your sessions on
> the
> > Internet for all of us who can't make it to Australia.
> >
> > -Bob Ringwald
> >
> >
> > Bob Ringwald
> > Amateur (ham) Radio Station K 6 Y B V
> > Fulton Street Jazz Band
> > 916/ 806-9551
> >
> > If God wanted me to touch my toes, he'd have put them on my knees.
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 11:23:00 +0200
> > From: "Jim Kashishian" <jim at kashprod.com>
> > To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] For Dave Hanson
> > Message-ID: <926E82E695CA445BBD9AA1F550FB71C1 at JIM>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >
> > Dave Hanson wrote me privately:
> >> I always enjoy hearing about you and your band. I'll be over there one
> of
> > these days to hear you in person !
> >
> > However, I can never answer Dave as there is some sort of block on
> Spanish
> > mail on his server!  So, in answer to his mail:  I hope you can come over
> > sometime, Dave.  Just let me know.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 15:42:09 +0200
> > From: "Gerard Bielderman" <gerard.bielderman at telfort.nl>
> > To: "DJM List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Passed away
> > Message-ID: <491BDADEFC99476DBF5B63DECD8FA72B at GerardPC>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > Just heard that listmate Jerry Brown passed away last Monday. He used to
> > run
> > the Jazz & Blues Record shop and also was involved with the Norwich Jazz
> > Party.
> >
> > Gerard Bielderman
> > Leie 18
> > 8032 ZG Zwolle
> > Netherlands
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 17:15:16 +0300
> > From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
> > To: Gerard Bielderman <gerard.bielderman at telfort.nl>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Passed away
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> > Sorry to hear that!
> > I shopped with him from ime to time, albeit not very often and not in a
> > long time!
> > Blessed be his memory
> >
> > On 1 October 2014 16:42, Gerard Bielderman <gerard.bielderman at telfort.nl
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Just heard that listmate Jerry Brown passed away last Monday. He used to
> >> run
> >> the Jazz & Blues Record shop and also was involved with the Norwich Jazz
> >> Party.
> >>
> >> Gerard Bielderman
> >> Leie 18
> >> 8032 ZG Zwolle
> >> Netherlands
> >> Website: http://gerardsdiscos.jimdo.com/
> >>
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> > Message: 7
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 07:27:57 -0700
> > From: Richard Parks <dparks999 at verizon.net>
> > To: "dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] "Black and Blue"  lyric
> > Message-ID:
> >    <1412173677.20677.YahooMailNeo at web142602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >
> >
> > I should have specified the Fats Waller tune, I guess.  Who knew this
> site had so many folks from other musical specialties?
> >
> > One more time:  Before I have to write my own lyric, has anyone got
> words a white guy can sing without getting a visit from the PC cops?
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 10:52:59 -0400
> > From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym at teledyn.com>
> > To: Richard Parks <dparks999 at verizon.net>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] "Black and Blue" lyric
> > Message-ID:
> >    <CAE=O9tbsvqmaqzgSWyGsG7Nf7JCJ5T0ZUtNujc_OreZR_tF7kg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > thanks to Louis Armstrong, what was a broken hearted love song has
> > become a general purpose human rights anthem -- seems to me Louis
> > altered the lyrics later in his career (as he did to Sleepy Time Down
> > South, and some books say he altered them reluctantly).  With our band
> > it is easy since our likely vocalists have an ethnic history that
> > wasn't always 'accepted' by the mainstream, and in some respects still
> > isn't, so I tell them "channel your inner asian-ness" -- they could be
> > Polish, Italian, even Irish and understand at least in principle the
> > line lamenting being "white" inside.  I'm not certain, but I think
> > Louis may have changed that to "right" and even if he didn't, I'd
> > think that could work for just about anyone to take to heart, because
> > we've all had the experience of being excluded and bullied for what we
> > appear to be rather than for who we are, perfectly "right inside", and
> > "what is on my face" can be metaphorical.
> >
> >> On 10/1/14, Richard Parks <dparks999 at verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I should have specified the Fats Waller tune, I guess.  Who knew this
> site
> >> had so many folks from other musical specialties?
> >>
> >> One more time:  Before I have to write my own lyric, has anyone got
> words a
> >> white guy can sing without getting a visit from the PC cops?
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 16:56:40 +0200
> > From: "Jim Kashishian" <jim at kashprod.com>
> > To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] FW:  "Black and Blue"  lyric
> > Message-ID: <A0B73005FE744C9AA4379AB4366DA079 at JIM>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >
> > Richard wrote:
> >> Before I have to write my own lyric, has anyone got words a white guy
> can
> > sing without getting a visit from the PC cops?
> >
> > Dunno about PC cops, but I don't see how someone white can pull off
> singing
> > that song.  You'd have to give it a new title, also!  It's such a
> beautiful
> > tune, why not leave it as an instrumental?  I don't sing it (for the
> above
> > reasons), and most of our audiences don't even understand English!  It
> just
> > wouldn't seem right to me...
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 11:15:14 -0400
> > From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym at teledyn.com>
> > To: jim at kashprod.com
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] FW: "Black and Blue" lyric
> > Message-ID:
> >    <CAE=O9tYdhmHBnoLVAAcTGeJiby70RgtN+XVFvKDOiXSBk4Q4Fg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > when May sings it, even the kids cry.  mind you, we prefix this by
> > explaining where the song came from in the musical, and then what
> > Louis Armstrong did with it in Ghana, but I think even without that,
> > May (who is Chinese) brings a great deal of her own hurt into it and
> > that makes all the difference. (and she sings "white inside", but with
> > an edge ;) )
> >
> >> On 10/1/14, Jim Kashishian <jim at kashprod.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Richard wrote:
> >>> Before I have to write my own lyric, has anyone got words a white guy
> can
> >> sing without getting a visit from the PC cops?
> >>
> >> Dunno about PC cops, but I don't see how someone white can pull off
> singing
> >> that song.  You'd have to give it a new title, also!  It's such a
> beautiful
> >> tune, why not leave it as an instrumental?  I don't sing it (for the
> above
> >> reasons), and most of our audiences don't even understand English!  It
> just
> >> wouldn't seem right to me...
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >>
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 11:49:20 -0400
> > From: Ric Giorgi <ricgiorgi at sympatico.ca>
> > To: "'Gary Lawrence Murphy'" <garym at teledyn.com>
> > Cc: 'Dixieland Jazz Mailing List' <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] FW: "Black and Blue" lyric
> > Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP12406A9C85D3852BAF07200D4B80 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > The Rainbow Gardens Jazz Orchestra used to do Black and Blue just as
> > written, sung by a young Englishman who had been through a lot as a
> child.
> > He brought that hurt into the performance and it never failed to find the
> > mark with audiences. With this one, you can trust that Waller, Razaf and
> > Brooks got it right as long as the performer does.
> >
> > Ric Giorgi
> > Toronto
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dixielandjazz [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On
> > Behalf Of Gary Lawrence Murphy
> > Sent: October-01-14 11:15 AM
> > To: Ric Giorgi
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] FW: "Black and Blue" lyric
> >
> > when May sings it, even the kids cry.  mind you, we prefix this by
> > explaining where the song came from in the musical, and then what Louis
> > Armstrong did with it in Ghana, but I think even without that, May (who
> is
> > Chinese) brings a great deal of her own hurt into it and that makes all
> the
> > difference. (and she sings "white inside", but with an edge ;) )
> >
> >> On 10/1/14, Jim Kashishian <jim at kashprod.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Richard wrote:
> >>> Before I have to write my own lyric, has anyone got words a white guy
> >>> can
> >> sing without getting a visit from the PC cops?
> >>
> >> Dunno about PC cops, but I don't see how someone white can pull off
> >> singing that song.  You'd have to give it a new title, also!  It's
> >> such a beautiful tune, why not leave it as an instrumental?  I don't
> >> sing it (for the above reasons), and most of our audiences don't even
> >> understand English!  It just wouldn't seem right to me...
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 12
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:00:18 -0700
> > From: "Robert Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com>
> > To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Passed away
> > Message-ID: <83128F68ECBA46058339B8D4F82DC1A2 at BobPC>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Oh no. Another one gone.
> >
> > Jerry, RIP.
> >
> > -Bob Ringwald
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Gerard Bielderman
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 6:42 AM
> > To: Bob Ringwald
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Passed away
> >
> > Just heard that listmate Jerry Brown passed away last Monday. He used to
> > run
> > the Jazz & Blues Record shop and also was involved with the Norwich Jazz
> > Party.
> >
> > Gerard Bielderman
> > Leie 18
> > 8032 ZG Zwolle
> > Netherlands
> > Website: http://gerardsdiscos.jimdo.com/
> >
> > --
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:01:25 -0700
> > From: "Robert Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com>
> > To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] "Black and Blue"  lyric
> > Message-ID: <6CD22154BDEE44E88ACFF90E62CFAB0B at BobPC>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Richard Parks
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 7:27 AM
> > To: Bob Ringwald
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] "Black and Blue" lyric
> >
> >
> >
> > I should have specified the Fats Waller tune, I guess.  Who knew this
> site had so many folks from other musical specialties?
> >
> > One more time:  Before I have to write my own lyric, has anyone got
> words a white guy can sing without getting a visit from the PC cops?
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe or change your e-mail preferences for the Dixieland Jazz
> Mailing list, or to find the online archives, please visit:
> >
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> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:07:24 -0700
> > From: "Robert Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com>
> > To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] "Black and Blue"  lyric
> > Message-ID: <E8018E90CC8C468387FDFC0F26810D99 at BobPC>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Richard,
> >
> > I used to sing ?Black and Blue? and never thought about the meaning of
> the words. I just knew that it was a great song.
> >
> > When I lived in Los Angeles and had the Great pacific Jazz Band, we did
> a Louis Armstrong Tribute recording. See:
> >
> > www.ringwald.com/recordings.php
> >
> > I wanted to sing B&B on the album but the rest of the guys in the band
> didn?t think that I should. I don?t know why we didn?t at least record the
> tune without the lyrics. Never thought about it I guess.
> >
> >> From what I have heard, a little fact that a lot of people don?t
> realize is that the song was written for a black woman to sing, not a man.
> She is singing about being black and the black males liking white women.
> >
> > It was used in that famous night club in Harlem (can?t think of the name
> of it off hand) where Duke Ellington played for so long. They featured
> black entertainers and bands but only whites could go in.
> >
> > -Bob Ringwald
> > Fulton Street Jazz Band
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Richard Parks
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 7:27 AM
> > To: Bob Ringwald
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] "Black and Blue" lyric
> >
> >
> >
> > I should have specified the Fats Waller tune, I guess.  Who knew this
> site had so many folks from other musical specialties?
> >
> > One more time:  Before I have to write my own lyric, has anyone got
> words a white guy can sing without getting a visit from the PC cops?
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> > Message: 15
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:21:05 -0500
> > From: Charles Suhor <csuhor at zebra.net>
> > To: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] FW: "Black and Blue" lyric
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> > Interesting exchange. I like Gary and May's approach of explaining the
> background of the song, which rescues it (though not to everyone's
> satisfaction, I'm sure) from being seen as inappropriate, or worse, a
> blatant cultural misappropriation. A different matter--in many settings the
> audience isn't interested in (or sober enough for) a thoughtful
> explanation, however beneficial that might be. I never sang the song on a
> gig, nor do I recall it being sung in bands in New Orleans during my years
> as a player and listener there, roughly 1946 to 1977.
> > To pose the appropriateness question more sharply, would any white
> musician feel comfortable singing "Strange Fruit"? It would need quite a
> sociological mini-lecture.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >> On Oct 1, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:
> >>
> >> when May sings it, even the kids cry.  mind you, we prefix this by
> >> explaining where the song came from in the musical, and then what
> >> Louis Armstrong did with it in Ghana, but I think even without that,
> >> May (who is Chinese) brings a great deal of her own hurt into it and
> >> that makes all the difference. (and she sings "white inside", but with
> >> an edge ;) )
> >>
> >>> On 10/1/14, Jim Kashishian <jim at kashprod.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Richard wrote:
> >>>> Before I have to write my own lyric, has anyone got words a white guy
> can
> >>> sing without getting a visit from the PC cops?
> >>>
> >>> Dunno about PC cops, but I don't see how someone white can pull off
> singing
> >>> that song.  You'd have to give it a new title, also!  It's such a
> beautiful
> >>> tune, why not leave it as an instrumental?  I don't sing it (for the
> above
> >>> reasons), and most of our audiences don't even understand English!  It
> just
> >>> wouldn't seem right to me...
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>>
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