[Dixielandjazz] Dixielandjazz Digest, Vol 140, Issue 7
Charles Suhor
csuhor at zebra.net
Fri Aug 8 08:45:23 PDT 2014
Like Daniel, I've been lurking a lot but there are aspects of this thread that I'm curious about.... Are you including "buskers," individuals and groups, in the discussion? Or just performers in venues where they're presumably being employed and folks have paid to get in? I'm not sure if the distinction is valid, except that buskers are offering their music for free in the first place, or at least, in the hope that some listeners will voluntarily feed the hat. Also, there are free outdoor concerts, like the N.O. Festival a week or two before Jazzfest, where it would be hard to discourage taping. Finally, I'm betting that some little-known bands actually put their own stuff on YouTube so that their music will be "out there." Finally, the sum total of live music taped and put on YouTube is anthropological data of a sort, and might be minded for insights into our culture someday.
Charlie Suhor
On Aug 8, 2014, at 2:18 AM, Daniel Barrett wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I haven't checked in for some time, but now think I might have something pertinent to say.
>
> Regarding the video taping of various jazz groups, this is of course now a wide-spread practice. Older members of the DJML will remember when any type of recording--whether audio or video--was banned at most performances.
>
> Musicians now have no control over this sort of thing, although most of the playiers I know really don't condone it.
>
> One response is this: In many performances, I'll volunteer to be the "bad guy." I'll make an announcement to the effect that those videotaping (or making an audio recording) of our performance could--and should--do us the courtesy of buying at least one of the CDs we have for sale; this in exchange for the recording they just made (or are about to make), for which they paid nothing.
>
> I'm pleased to report that many actually do follow through, and purchase a CD or two. We appreciate it. Those who don't simply have no class, and are the ones who will one day wonder--as they sip their glasses of water, stiff the wait-staff, and spike their drinks with the flask they cleverly brought from home--where all the nice bands and the good music went.
>
> In the vernacular of the day, "I'm just sayin'."
>
> I hope everyone's having a good summer.
>
> Best,
>
> --Dan Barrett
>
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>> 1. YouTube postings (ROBERT JOHN SMITH)
>> 2. Re: YouTube postings (Jazz Jerry)
>> 3. Re: YouTube postings (Jazz Jerry)
>> 4. Re: YouTube postings (Jim O'Briant)
>> 5. Re: YouTube postings (Robert Ringwald)
>> 6. Re: YouTube postings (Robert Ringwald)
>> 7. Re: Lorenzo Tio in NYC (Ken Mathieson)
>> 8. Lorenzo Tio in NY 1923-24 (Bill Haesler)
>> 9. Re: Happy headline - "Happy Birthday" is not in copyright
>> (Stan Brager)
>> 10. Re: Happy headline - "Happy Birthday" is not in copyright
>> (Charles Suhor)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 22:20:00 +0200
>> From: ROBERT JOHN SMITH <robertjs at broadpark.no>
>> To: Dixieland List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] YouTube postings
>> Message-ID: <7810dfa819f07.53e2aa10 at broadpark.no>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
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>> I'm very grateful to people who take the trouble to film concerts, and subsequently post the results on YouTube.
>>
>> This means that I get to hear and see bands that I wouldn't otherwise have the opportunity to experience.
>>
>> However, there is one small fly in the ointment, viz. , people who are filmed walking between the camera and the band.
>>
>> I studied one number being played, and counted 23 people who walked between the camera and the band. This gave an average of one person every 14 seconds.
>>
>> If possible, therefore, I would ask that the camera be placed higher, to avoid this distraction.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Bob Smith
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 21:58:50 +0100
>> From: Jazz Jerry <jazz1jerry at btinternet.com>
>> To: ROBERT JOHN SMITH <robertjs at broadpark.no>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] YouTube postings
>> Message-ID: <334B9E59-8B5D-4295-8A14-164A56B25994 at btinternet.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>> I could not disagree more with this posting. At the Norwich Jazz Party and also a classical musical festival I am involved with there is an absolute ban on any video recording by members of the audience of any of the performances for various reasons. Firstly the performance is the copyright of the musicians and only if they have all given written permission should a recording be made and secondly and probably of more importance to the rest of the audience there is noting more annoying that being at a concert and some pillock in front of you is holding a video camera or cell (mobile) phone above their heads trying to film the performers.
>>
>> That properly made video performances appear on YouTube is great but leave it to the professionals!
>>
>> Jerry Brown
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 6 Aug 2014, at 21:20, ROBERT JOHN SMITH <robertjs at broadpark.no> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm very grateful to people who take the trouble to film concerts, and subsequently post the results on YouTube.
>>>
>>> This means that I get to hear and see bands that I wouldn't otherwise have the opportunity to experience.
>>>
>>> However, there is one small fly in the ointment, viz. , people who are filmed walking between the camera and the band.
>>>
>>> I studied one number being played, and counted 23 people who walked between the camera and the band. This gave an average of one person every 14 seconds.
>>>
>>> If possible, therefore, I would ask that the camera be placed higher, to avoid this distraction.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Bob Smith
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 21:59:32 +0100
>> From: Jazz Jerry <jazz1jerry at btinternet.com>
>> To: ROBERT JOHN SMITH <robertjs at broadpark.no>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] YouTube postings
>> Message-ID: <28ADDCC0-4AE8-47E0-8323-B3D887A989A6 at btinternet.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Or maybe you are simple being sarcastic?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 6 Aug 2014, at 21:20, ROBERT JOHN SMITH <robertjs at broadpark.no> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm very grateful to people who take the trouble to film concerts, and subsequently post the results on YouTube.
>>>
>>> This means that I get to hear and see bands that I wouldn't otherwise have the opportunity to experience.
>>>
>>> However, there is one small fly in the ointment, viz. , people who are filmed walking between the camera and the band.
>>>
>>> I studied one number being played, and counted 23 people who walked between the camera and the band. This gave an average of one person every 14 seconds.
>>>
>>> If possible, therefore, I would ask that the camera be placed higher, to avoid this distraction.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Bob Smith
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 14:04:18 -0700
>> From: "Jim O'Briant" <jobriant at garlic.com>
>> To: "'ROBERT JOHN SMITH'" <robertjs at broadpark.no>
>> Cc: 'Dixieland Jazz Mailing List' <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] YouTube postings
>> Message-ID: <01a001cfb1b9$fe1fd980$fa5f8c80$@garlic.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>> Bob smith wrote:
>>
>>> I'm very grateful to people who take the trouble to film concerts,
>>> and ... post the results on YouTube.
>>>
>>> ... I get to hear and see bands that I wouldn't otherwise have the
>>> opportunity to experience.
>>>
>>> However, there is one small fly in the ointment, viz. , people who
>>> are filmed walking between the camera and the band.
>>>
>>> ... I would ask that the camera be placed higher, to avoid this
>> distraction.
>>
>> I think the vast majority of the videos you speak of are taken by amateur
>> photographers who are fans of Trad Jazz. And most of the performances are at
>> dance venues, where the dance floor is directly in front of the stage. I
>> know this is the case with many of the videos of my band that are on
>> YouTube.
>>
>> These amateur videographers are kind enough to share their efforts with the
>> rest of us -- and for the most part, they're doing it free of charge
>> (including filming time, editing time and upload time).. I don't think we
>> should have any expectation that they go out and purchase additional
>> equipment, just to raise the position of their cameras.
>>
>> If we want to watch professional quality videos of trad jazz bands, then we
>> need to be prepared to hire professionals to produce them.
>>
>> Jim O'Briant
>> Gilroy, CA
>> Tuba & Leader, The Zinfandel Stompers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 14:13:14 -0700
>> From: "Robert Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com>
>> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] YouTube postings
>> Message-ID: <620357A6BCB349279C77EE2E80E25763 at BobPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Bob, It would be nice to place the camera to where people are not walking or dancing in front of the camera. However, the folks filming the band are very lucky to even be able to film for free, let alone place the camera high enough so that people are not walking or dancing in front of it.
>>
>> In the first place, the band can only be filmed if all members of the band gives their permission.
>>
>> Secondly, raising the camera up high would interfere with folks in the venue who have paid money to see and hear the band.
>>
>> Remember, these are amateurs filming with amateur equipment. The farther away they get from the band, the less you will be able to see and hear of the band.
>>
>> By filming the band, copyright laws are probably being broken also, so the filming has to be kept somewhat inconspicuous.
>>
>> Most bands will let themselves be filmed as it is good advertisement for them to be seen all over the world. As a courtesy to them, it would be nice if you and others would purchase the band?s CDs.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> -Bob Ringwald
>> Fulton Street Jazz Band
>> Sacramento CA USA
>>
>>
>>
>> From: ROBERT JOHN SMITH
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:20 PM
>> To: Bob Ringwald
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] YouTube postings
>>
>> I'm very grateful to people who take the trouble to film concerts, and subsequently post the results on YouTube.
>>
>> This means that I get to hear and see bands that I wouldn't otherwise have the opportunity to experience.
>>
>> However, there is one small fly in the ointment, viz. , people who are filmed walking between the camera and the band.
>>
>> I studied one number being played, and counted 23 people who walked between the camera and the band. This gave an average of one person every 14 seconds.
>>
>> If possible, therefore, I would ask that the camera be placed higher, to avoid this distraction.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Bob Smith
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 14:27:40 -0700
>> From: "Robert Ringwald" <rsr at ringwald.com>
>> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] YouTube postings
>> Message-ID: <FE5966285A2D433787129ABEFD468199 at BobPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
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>> Jerry, I don?t think he was being sarcastic at all. just making a comment.
>>
>> -Bob Ringwald
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jazz Jerry
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:59 PM
>> To: Bob Ringwald
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] YouTube postings
>>
>> Or maybe you are simple being sarcastic?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 6 Aug 2014, at 21:20, ROBERT JOHN SMITH <robertjs at broadpark.no> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm very grateful to people who take the trouble to film concerts, and subsequently post the results on YouTube.
>>>
>>> This means that I get to hear and see bands that I wouldn't otherwise have the opportunity to experience.
>>>
>>> However, there is one small fly in the ointment, viz. , people who are filmed walking between the camera and the band.
>>>
>>> I studied one number being played, and counted 23 people who walked between the camera and the band. This gave an average of one person every 14 seconds.
>>>
>>> If possible, therefore, I would ask that the camera be placed higher, to avoid this distraction.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Bob Smith
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 00:44:31 +0100
>> From: "Ken Mathieson" <ken at kenmath.free-online.co.uk>
>> To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>, "Ulf Jagfors"
>> <ulf.jagfors at telia.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Lorenzo Tio in NYC
>> Message-ID: <008301cfb1d0$5f4512f0$4201a8c0 at amd2500>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Ulf wrote,
>>> snip
>> I was wondering what views you have (if any) in respect of the following: on
>> July 30, 1923, Chas. A Matson's Creole Serenaders recorded Tain 't Nobody's
>> business If I Do (mx9104-A) and I Just Want A Daddy (mx 9105-B). Both were
>> released on Edison 51222 and 51224 respectively. Those two recordings were
>> reissued on the Frog's latest release "Stop & Bar" Rare and Hot Black Tape
>> recordings. FROG CD DGF79. However I just received the first title on
>> Rivermonts CD "The Big Broadcast, vol 4 with better sound quality than Frog.
>> After listening, I am prepared to say that I am convinced that the
>> clarinetist is Lorenzo Tio. But, in all honesty, I can only be sure that I
>> think it is he - I was not on spot. Are there any of you who have no idea
>> about this notion, for or against? Pirons band played in New York in the
>> spring of 1923, and returned to N.O in the fall of 1923. I have seen
>> information that Tio did not join the band back to New Orleans but stayed in
>> New York. That has always confused me because he can be heard with Pirons in
>> "Red Man Blues" recorded in N.O. But if he stopped, not 1924 but 1923?
>> <snip
>>
>> Hi Ulf
>>
>> I've had a listen to both tracks and find it impossible to say whether it was Tio on clarinet or not. However Gunther Schuller's book Early Jazz states that the Piron band was in NYC in 1922 and 1923, while Ray Smith's liner notes to the Azure CD of the complete recordings of the Piron band state that "in May of 1923, Piron secured a job at the Cotton Club in New York." So it is possible that Tio was in NYC at the end of July 1923 when the Matson sides were recorded. Ray Smith's liner notes go on to state that the Piron band returned to its residency in Tranchina's in New Orleans (unfortunately he doesn't state when they returned to New Orleans) before returning to NYC to record for Victor between early December 1923 and mid February 1924. The Piron band recorded again in New Orleans in March 1923, but the Azure CD's liner notes state "..unknown clarinet replaces Tio.." so perhaps he remained in NYC for a spell. I've got a note (unfortunately I didn't record the source) that Tio was the only member of the Piron band who elected to remain in New York and I suspect this might have been after the February 1923 recordings.
>>
>> Another source, Samuel B Charters' book New Orleans Jazz 1885 - 1963, gives a slightly different chronology stating: "In May 1923 the Werlein Music Company arranged for the group (meaning Piron's band) to record for Victor in New York City. Once in New York Piron talked them into taking a job at the Cotton Club. The house band stayed around, just in case they couldn't make it, but they went through the show without any difficulty. Piron had hired Celestin to replace him at Tranchina's and when they returned a few months later the job was still there for them. They returned to New York the next year, recorded again, and opened at the Roseland Ballroom."
>>
>> Various sources state that he worked with Piron until 1928. John Chilton's Who's Who of Jazz states that he later returned to New York, doing free-lance gigging and arranging, as well as playing for a spell on the Albany - New York steamboats. Thereafter he returned to New Orleans where he played again with Piron, before returning again to NYC to play a residency at the Nest Club, where he was joined for a spell in 1932 by Sidney Bechet. He died in NYC 24 Dec 1933 and his funeral was in New Orleans.
>>
>> In addition to the Piron records, he is reputed to have recorded with Clarence Williams in May 1924 (Ghost of the Blues) and Jelly Roll Morton in 1930. Here's a link to some biographical info on the Tios:
>> http://ml.islandnet.com/pipermail/dixielandjazz/2007-August/048732.html There's further info at:
>> http://musicrising.tulane.edu/uploads/transcripts/l.%20tio%2010-26-1960.pdf This document suggests that Tio wrote not just Mood Indigo, but Sophisticated Lady and Moonglow too.
>>
>> Sorry I can't offer an opinion on Chas A Matson's clarinettist, but here's a further snippet about Tio: Harold Dejan of the Olympia Brass Band told me that Russell Procope had been a pupil of Tio's when he was in New York. I've never seen anything in print to support this, but it might explain why Procope (a New Yorker) played the way he did on clarinet.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ken Mathieson
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 10:04:07 +1000
>> From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
>> To: Ulf Jagfors <ulf.jagfors at telia.com>, Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
>> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Lorenzo Tio in NY 1923-24
>> Message-ID: <A2659BA3-DC8A-4DFF-AD6A-535EAE56F507 at bigpond.net.au>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Ulf Jagfors wrote:
>>> I received this request from one of my jazz friends here in Stockholm.
>>> Perhaps somebody out there can share some more info
>> regarding
>>> ...in respect of the following: onJuly 30, 1923, Chas. A Matson's Creole Serenaders recorded Tain 't Nobody's
>>> business If I Do (mx9104-A) and I Just Want A Daddy (mx 9105-B)...Edison 51222 and 51224 respectively.
>>> ...I am convinced that the clarinetist is Lorenzo Tio. ...Pirons band played in New York in the spring of 1923, and returned to N.O in the fall of 1923. I have seen information that Tio did not join the band back to New Orleans but stayed in New York. That has always confused me because he can be heard with Pirons in "Red Man Blues" recorded in N.O.
>>> Nils-Gunnar Anderby, jazz historian and record collector
>>
>> Dear Ulf (and Nils),
>> Many, many years ago, trumpet player Geoff Bull proposed the same theory to me.
>> That the Charles Matson band on Edison was in fact the Armond J Piron band.
>> I agreed then (and still do) as it certainly sounds like it.
>> Piron was in New York at the time the Matson sides were recorded on 30 July 1923.
>> And I recall from somewhere that Matson managed the Piron band while it was in New York.
>> There was also a long association between Piron and Clarence Williams, and Clarence Williams and Matson.
>> However, some sources say Tio stayed in New York when the Piron band returned to New Orleans in February-March 1924, before returning (late 20s?) to live in New York, where he died in 1933.
>> Others suggest Tio did not return with the Piron band at that time and stayed in New York.
>> I have not been able to confirm this either way.
>> However, so far as "Red Man Blues" is concerned, Brian Rust's ' Jazz Records' discography, the Azure CD and other discography sources say John Lindsay, Ysaquirre omitted, unknown cl replaces Tio for "Red Man Blues/ Do As I Say", recorded for Victor 19646 by the Piron band in New Orleans on 25 March 1925.
>> Where did this information come from? I can't find its source.
>> If it is not Tio, then who is it?
>> It's a great side, yet a clarinettist has never been named, that I can find.
>> Was is simply assumed that it could not be Tio as he was, allegedly, in New York by this time?
>> Very kind regards,
>> Bill.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:40:11 -0700
>> From: "Stan Brager" <sbrager at verizon.net>
>> To: "'Robert Ringwald'" <rsr at ringwald.com>, "'DJML'"
>> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Happy headline - "Happy Birthday" is not
>> in copyright
>> Message-ID: <001001cfb1d8$258f14e0$70ad3ea0$@verizon.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Now you tell me, Bob;
>>
>> I just sent Warner the royalties for my last birthday which I celebrated with my wife. I claimed that it was a duet in the hopes that they wouldn't charge for 2 copies.
>>
>> Stan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Ringwald [mailto:rsr at ringwald.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 4:57 PM
>> To: DJML
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Happy headline - "Happy Birthday" is not in copyright
>>
>> Date: Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:57 pm ((PDT))
>> From: BoingBoing.net
>> Lawsuit: "Happy Birthday" is not in copyright, and Warner owes the world hundreds of millions for improperly collected royalties http://boingboing.net/2013/06/13/lawsuit-happy-birthday-is.html
>>
>> -Bob Ringwald
>> Amateur (ham) Radio Operator K6YBV
>> 916/ 806-9551
>>
>> ?If God wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates.? -Jay Leno
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 21:12:26 -0500
>> From: Charles Suhor <csuhor at zebra.net>
>> To: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Happy headline - "Happy Birthday" is not
>> in copyright
>> Message-ID: <F30F467D-5DAB-485A-9B6C-B87FA8B4CE81 at zebra.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> The true originator of "Happy Birthday"? --Buddy Bolden, of course. (Morton's claims notwithstanding)
>>
>> Charlie Suhor
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2014, at 7:40 PM, Stan Brager wrote:
>>
>>> Now you tell me, Bob;
>>>
>>> I just sent Warner the royalties for my last birthday which I celebrated with my wife. I claimed that it was a duet in the hopes that they wouldn't charge for 2 copies.
>>>
>>> Stan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Robert Ringwald [mailto:rsr at ringwald.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 4:57 PM
>>> To: DJML
>>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
>>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Happy headline - "Happy Birthday" is not in copyright
>>>
>>> Date: Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:57 pm ((PDT))
>>> From: BoingBoing.net
>>> Lawsuit: "Happy Birthday" is not in copyright, and Warner owes the world hundreds of millions for improperly collected royalties http://boingboing.net/2013/06/13/lawsuit-happy-birthday-is.html
>>>
>>> -Bob Ringwald
>>> Amateur (ham) Radio Operator K6YBV
>>> 916/ 806-9551
>>>
>>> ?If God wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates.? -Jay Leno
>>>
>>>
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