[Dixielandjazz] New Orleans Jazz Bands

[Shaw, Tim]

Sounds like a great talk, John. Sorry I can't make it to the next one (too far!) I think your idea that Dodds BBS  rhythm section provides a good approximation of what the Oliver rhythm section must have sounded like is spot on.

Even better, what about Dodds' "Orchestra" recordings of 1929? (missing a banjo, but with Lil Hardin and Dutrey) It also recorded quaint turn-of century sounding tunes (My Little Isobel, Sweet Sue, Sweet Lorraine (not the tin pan alley tunes) - composed by Natty Dominique) - that are probably the sort of thing the polite downtown black NO society expected. 
And classically-trained Dominique' sound is almost a parody of respectable French brass sound of that era.
Dodds Orch sounds looser and more relaxed than the BBS - more "New Orleansy" I think.
Cheers
tim

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From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of John Petters
Sent: Wednesday, 09 May, 2012 8:49 AM
To: Shaw, Tim
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Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] New Orleans Jazz Bands

Hi all,
Interesting topic. For me the New Orleans thing is all about rhythm. The
southern bands whether white, black or Creole, had a beat which is
lacking in the white bands of Red Nichols, the Goofus 5, the Wolverines
and such black bands as Fletcher Henderson's.

I was asked to do a talk to the University of the 3rd Age last year
about early jazz.  Impossible in 90 minutes. So I chose early New
Orleans Jazz from 1917 - 1930 - Black / Creole jazz.

The starting point was the ODJB merely to pin point the 1st jazz recording.

I included Bunk's brass band as an example of the brass band music. Then
to Ory's Sunshine Band, Piron's N.O. Orch. Then a few Oliver
illustrations - Chimes, Dippermouth  (creole JB)and Sugar Foot (Dixie
Syncopators) and King Porter - the duet with Morton.

>From there to Bechet and Armstrong Red Onion Jazz Babies - Cake Walkin'
Babies.

Celestin's Tuxedo Rag followed, then Sam Morgan's Short Dress Gal.

Keppard's Stockyard Strut was next,then Jelly's Blackbottom Stomp.

Louis Dumaine followed - then Wild Man Blues (Hot 7), Too Busy
(Armstrong / Noone).

Jones / Collins Astoria Hot 8 was the penultimate track and Luis
Russell's Panama was the closer.

I should have included  Come On and Stomp Stomp Stomp by the J Dodds
Blackbottom Stompers as this is what I suggest the Oliver rhythm section
really sounded like with a full drum kit (Dodds), but no time.

Others may suggest alternatives, but I think this list gives a flavour
of the important early recordings and different styles.

I repeated the talk at my Mundesley festival a couple of weeks ago.

It went down well.
Keep swinging,



-- 
John Petters
www.traditional-jazz.com
Amateur Radio Station G3YPZ

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