[Dixielandjazz] Jazz History

[Marek Boym]

Dear Bill,
This time I must agree with Tim.  True, those bands played in Chicago,
but they came from New Orleans.  The band members came from New
Orleans (In King Oliver's case - except for Lil Hardin), and even
brought musicians from the home town when they needed replacement.  At
that very early stage, they had little time to have absorbed any
influences.  And when one listens to the bands that recorded in New
Orleans, they do not sound anything like the George Lewis band.  I am
sure that not all New Orleans musicians played like King Oliver, but
he and Dodds and some others were apparently themost accomplished
ones.  The 'revival" bands were organized by white folklorists, and I
have for the longest time had the feeling that, being professionals,
played what their publicand sponsors wished to hear.
Cheers

On 8 May 2012 01:43, Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Shaw, Tim wrote [in part]:
>> And how could you ignore King Oliver's Creole Jazz band (the greatest of all) - and their white counterparts New Orleans Rhthym Kings -  both recorded in the early 20s (in Chicago, but they were NO bands).
>
> Dear Tim,
> Sorry, but after intense listening during my formative jazz years in the 40s-50s in Melbourne with my one jazz eyed mates, and owning all the records made in New Orleans in the 20s, I came to the conclusion way back then that King Oliver and his cohorts in Chicago were the melting pot for what I call 'Chicago Jazz'.
> I note that lately musicologists appear to agree with a belief we formulated all those years ago.
> Unless I am misreading people like Thomas Brothers, Lawrence Gushee, etc.
> Youngsters, with more musicology degrees than I can poke a stick at.
> Oliver (who left New Orleans in 1919 and never returned), Keppard, Dodds, Noone, Louis et al took 'the sound' out of New Orleans to Chicago and beyond, embellished it, influenced the young white Austin High School gang and friends, passed it on to New York and...
> The recorded music of South Side Chicago in the 1920s owes more to these expats that it does to those who stayed home in NOLA.
> Just a thought.
> *>)
> Very kind regards,
> Bill.
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