[Dixielandjazz] Norman Granz

Steve Voce stevevoce at virginmedia.com
Thu Oct 6 01:05:34 PDT 2011


When he began his career Norman actively disliked bebop. He came to it pretty late.
JATP was meant to be pretty much a Roman circus. Norman said to me once that he liked his musicians
to be friends off stage, but on stage he wanted blood.
The music was mostly designed to be intellectually comparatively unchallenging, so you might find it rabble rousing  compared
with the strain that appreciating the music of the MJQ or Brubeck might put on your brain.
As an experiment you should try to listen to a track by the Miles Davis quintet with Wayne Shorter
and see if there is any point in the music where you can make contact with it.
Hearing that would make MJQ and Brubeck sound like musical Enid Blyton and JATP like a motto out of a Christmas cracker.

Steve Voce


On 05/10/2011 23:19, Marek Boym wrote:

> Thank you for posting this!
> Was Granz a bopper?  Perhaps.  But he employed and recorded swing
> musicians when the ycould hardly find work, the jazz worls being split
> beween the mouldy figs and the moderninsts, noe of whom had any time
> for swing!
> And, moreover, the idea worked.  Altough decried by many critics as
> rabble rousers, the JATP records have passed the test of time.  By the
> time I discovered jazz, they had been around for a while.  At that
> time I came to jazz with no prejudices, and listened indiscriminately
> to anything that had "jazz" or "swing" on the label.  I knew somr
> Brubeck and Modern Jazz Quartet almost by heart, but they very much
> were the thing that made me a traditional and swing fan - they sounded
> unconvincing.  The JATP, on the other hand, sounded great then, and
> still do!
> I do, however, admit and confess a great sin: I like a lot of waht
> both Dizzy and Parker did (although not all).
> Cheers
>
> On 5 October 2011 06:15, Robert Ringwald<rsr at ringwald.com>  wrote:
>> Here's part one of Marc Myers' new JazzWax interview with Norman Granz biographer
>> Tad Hershorn:
>>
>> http://www.jazzwax.com/2011/10/tad-hershorn-on-norman-granz-pt-1.html
>>
>>
>> --Bob Ringwald
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