[Dixielandjazz] Stirring the pot

[Rick]

Good points, Joe!!

Thanks for your response!!

Rick

On 1/16/2011 6:08 PM, Joe Carbery wrote:
> Rick,
> I am not English, or indeed British. I'm writing 
> from New Zealand. I lived for a while in the 
> Southern States of the US and have a vague idea 
> of where "Dixie" is.
> Incidentally I'm all for having fun playing 
> music. That's why I do it. But I don't trouble 
> myself wondering what subdivision of jazz it 
> falls into!
> To say anyone but an American is "imitating" 
> jazz is but a small step to saying that 
> non-African Americans are imitating jazz.  Can 
> only Italians sing genuine opera? Or only 
> Germans play Wagner?
> Regards,
> Joe Carbery.
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 a 12:25 PM, Rick 
> <rickz at usermail.com <mailto:rickz at usermail.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Well, gee.   A voice from over the sea!!
>
>     I think you guys do a good job of imitating
>     jazz.
>
>     Sorry, Joe.  Stay over there and have your
>     illusions.
>
>     We know what Jazz is, we know what (where)
>     Dixie is, and we don't need some Limey to
>     explain it to us.
>
>     I'm not saying you guys CAN'T play our
>     music... you do a pretty good job.   But
>     don't pretend it's anything but Yankee
>     music, OK?
>
>     I already gave some examples of Frogs and
>     Beaners playing this music and they do a
>     good job.  I love it!!!
>
>     AND THEY HAVE A GOOD TIME DOING IT!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>     Cant we just have fun?
>
>     Rick
>
>
>
>
>     On 1/16/2011 4:51 PM, Joe Carbery wrote:
>>     Re definitions and other things:
>>     "Dixieland" (as applied to music) conjures
>>     up for me a group of portly grey-haired men
>>     in straw boaters (I forget what the
>>     appropriate US term is), striped waistcoats
>>     and sleeve-gartered shirts playing multi
>>     themed tunes too fast and with absolutely
>>     no feeling. I know Condon's music was
>>     described as dixieland but he loathed the term.
>>     "Trad Jazz" was a term coined by publicists
>>     in Britain to describe a very commercial
>>     type of "traditional" jazz, typified by
>>     strident banjos and an attempt to bend all
>>     sorts of tunes ( e.g."March of the Siamese
>>     Children") to its idiom in an effort to
>>     have a pop-chart hit. Like all such
>>     attempts to popularize jazz (boogie-woogie,
>>     the later ragtime revival fuelled by "The
>>     Sting"), it quickly ran out of momentum
>>     because the impetus for growth came not
>>     from within the music itself but from the
>>     publicists and ad-men.
>>     The term "Trad" was misappropriated and
>>     misapplied in the US as a shorthand for
>>     Traditional Jazz and leads to confusion.
>>     It's like the anatomical term "fanny" as
>>     used to mean different things in the US and
>>     the rest of the English speaking world.
>>     With regard to Steve Barbone saying certain
>>     tunes are jazz tunes by definition: A tune
>>     is not jazz until it's played. On the paper
>>     it's not a jazz tune. "It ain't what you
>>     do.........." Or, as Bill Evans said, "Jazz
>>     is a how, not a what."
>>     Re "Jazz Instruments" the same criterion
>>     applies. Any instrument can be used to play
>>     jazz if the instrumentalist is skilled enough.
>>     Best Wishes,
>>     Joe Carbery.
>>     On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Rick
>>     <rickz at usermail.com
>>     <mailto:rickz at usermail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Dixie?   OKOM??
>>
>>         Here's Jimmie Rodgers, doing "Any Old
>>         Time" in 1929.
>>
>>         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXBWoaRWHrM
>>
>>          It starts with the typical guitar that
>>         we associate with JR and then...
>>
>>         Holy Smoke!!   Here's a ?Dixieland
>>         Band??   I think It's dixie!
>>
>>         One of my favorites.   I had an
>>         arrangement of "Waiting for a Train"
>>         for the Colorado Nighthawks, but we
>>         never did it.
>>
>>         Rick .
>>
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