[Dixielandjazz] List Policemen etc.

Wed Jan 2 20:08:01 PST 2008

Hey Hal,

    Enjoyed your message. There are a lot more fine musicians than there are 
fine listeners and fewer yet of those that improvise intelligent messages 
such as yours that promote the feeling of a brotherhood of both the listener 
and the player. Also I agree that Bob does a fine job of moderating the 
list. He also plays a mess of good piano, nicht wahr?      All the best, 
chuck kercher
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hal Vickery" <hvickery at svs.com>
To: <ekercher at tampabay.rr.com>
Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] List Policemen etc.

> Larry,
>
> Your response to my post and this one are much appreciated.  I never have
> figured out why anyone would be upset with any category of posts except 
> for
> those that are wildly off topic.
>
> Take my perspective, for instance.  I'm a fan.  My only contributions to
> this list can be from that perspective.  I never have made a dime playing
> music.  I never did learn to improvise well, and once I needed bifocals, I
> never could focus on the spots.  So an incredibly bad amateur player 
> became
> strictly a listener.
>
> My interest here is mainly in the discussions of the music and musicians.
> Sitting here in Joliet, IL, I'm not all that interested, though, in who is
> playing in what festival in San Diego because I can't afford to go there.
> I'm really am interested, though, in posts like those by you, Steve, and 
> Tom
> that involve how to spread the music to a new generation.
>
> Let's put it this way, folks.  I'm 57 years old, and when I go to venues
> where OKOM is played, I'm usually the youngest person in the audience,
> except when I'm with my 28-year-old son.
>
> My musical tastes go way beyond OKOM, and his go way beyond mine, but he
> fell in love with OKOM as a result of my taking him to a performance of 
> the
> Jim Cullum Jazz Band in Madison, WI (for which I'm eternally grateful to 
> Don
> Mopsick).
>
> The key was my getting him to hear the music when the time was right for 
> him
> to hear it.  And that's what guys like Steve are trying to point out.  I
> don't get this move to silence him at all.  It takes me about one second 
> to
> delete a post on guitar frets.  It shouldn't take anyone here any longer 
> to
> delete this or any other post if you're not interested in this topic.
>
> One last thought:  I act as a moderator on a web site.  We have people 
> there
> who also try to tell people what and what not to post.  We have a standard
> phrase that we use to stop that:  "Let the moderators do the moderating." 
> I
> think Bob does a terrific job moderating this list (despite the fact that 
> I
> still can't hear Joe Venuti saying anything other than "Barnacle Bill the
> Sailor").  Please let him do that without trying to tell him how.
>
> Hal Vickery
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
> [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Larry Walton
> Entertainment - St. Louis
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:38 PM
> To: Hal Vickery
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] List Policemen etc.
>
> Ross said > ...............You don`t have to read them !!!!
>> I for one thank Steve and Tom Wiggins and others on the list that spend a
>> lot of their time
>> "Helping" other Members.
> ______________________________
>
> I would like to second and expand on that.
>
> Not every idea is practical for everyone and some ideas seem just like pie
> in the sky.  Not every formula that one person has worked out will work 
> for
> someone else and not everyone is interested in changing what they are 
> doing
> very much.
>
> But! While everything won't work for everyone usually some variation of an
> idea will if you have the flexibility to change what you are doing and try
> something else.
>
> I have talked about " Plan B" a lot of times.  Do you have one?  I'm just
> asking that rhetorically.  Should yours be the same as mine?  Maybe yes 
> and
> maybe no.  The important thing isn't so much my solution but that you have
> one for you.
>
> I think about and reject dozens of ideas sometimes before I come up with a
> plan.  No one's ideas are bad and sometimes I work out a plan for me based
> on several ideas.  A lot of those rejected ideas are mine.  I will also 
> dump
>
> a plan the second it quits working for me.
>
> I'm gonna tell you right now this is the only place where one band leader
> will try to help another.  No one in his right mind would sit and feed 
> ideas
>
> to a rival, competiting band leader.  But it happens here because many of 
> us
>
> recognize the value of trading ideas in a non competitive atmosphere.
>
> Ask yourself when the last time another band leader who had a band like
> yours sat down and told you all his secrets, traded charts with you, told
> you where to find stuff,  instantly gave you the background on pieces you
> were doing and sometimes pass on gigs.  I'll tell you right now NOWHERE!
>
> This is a forum that just doesn't happen anywhere else.  I would have 
> given
> a lot if someone had given me this kind of food for thought years ago.
> Everything I know I learned at great cost not only monetarily but
> personally.  A list like this would have made me even more successful and
> saved me a bunch of bucks too.
>
> By some standards I'm not setting the world on fire but for this town and 
> at
>
> this time I'm doing OK I think and hope to do better in the future.  Some 
> of
>
> that I owe to this list.
>
> I suggest that some of you get over this contest that you seem to be 
> having
> with Steve and others.  Simply because another man has a bigger house or 
> car
>
> does not make me or you unsuccessful or somehow inferior unless we let it.
>
> If I tell you that I worked 12 gigs in December that could be bragging but
> if I tell you how I got those 12 gigs then I am helping you.  If you 
> played
> 20 and I aspire to have 20 and you are willing to give me a tip on how to
> get them or somehow inspire me, don't you think I should thank you?
>
> Blindness isn't only a condition of the eyes but of the mind.
>
> For those who wish to suppress what Steve, Tom or others has to say 
> prevents
>
> me from picking out those things that may work for me.  It may also cause 
> me
>
> to not pass on something to the list that may help others in their quest 
> for
>
> more OKOM venues or outlets.  An example is the business cards I am 
> carrying
>
> right now were obtained free from a source that Tom sent me.  I wouldn't
> have known about it if Tom hadn't told me.
>
> Some of you enjoy talking about some great player of the past.  How many
> times has Louis Armstrong been the topic.  Other than Louis was a jazz 
> great
>
> he has never made me a dime or got me a gig nor will he make you one 
> either.
>
> Simply because I'm not all that interested in the endless posts about 
> Louis
> doesn't mean that you aren't.  It would be very rude of me to harp on the
> number of posts that Louis (or others) generates and threaten to drop out 
> of
>
> the list or try to generate or collect posts that supports my side.
>
> A lot of that is happening here.  I quit choosing up teams years ago and I
> suggest everyone think about what you are doing.  This list is, I think, a
> valuable resource to everyone.  If you don't think it's valuable then
> dropping off would be a reasonable thing but don't use Steve, Tom or me as
> an excuse.
> Larry
> St. Louis
>
>
>
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