[Dixielandjazz] "Patching" recordings
Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis
larrys.bands at charter.net
Thu Nov 1 09:38:58 PDT 2007
The technology is good enough to fool the ear but if you are doing cut and
splice it's almost impossible to make a 100% clean cut. If you go into the
software and enlarge the areas you can see the splice even though you can't
hear it. I'm sure with more sophisticated equipment than I have the cut and
paste can be made even more obvious. It wouldn't be a good idea to
introduce altered sound in court for that reason. Then again it might just
depend on how good the person doing the splice was.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Guarino" <russg at redshift.com>
To: "Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis" <larrys.bands at charter.net>
Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] "Patching" recordings
> Larry's story reminds me of a studio afternoon I spent with an engineer
> who had the latest, at that time, computer software.
> I had recorded four telephone conversations with clients who had used my
> band, and, with their permission I wanted to put their
> comments on my demo tapes. However there was a lot of misc. conversation
> that needed to be cut out so that just the pertinent comments
> would be brief and to the point.
> We cut out the immaterial talk and pasted the rest together, being
> cognizant of voice modulations and making modulation matches, high
> & low, for a proper fit. The software showed the voice as a "earthquake
> jiggle" and it was possible to make matches of different
> sections of the original recordings so that there was a smooth connect
> from place to place.
> When finished, I was shocked at how perfect the "cut & paste" worked. You
> could not tell that what was heard was a conversation
> consisting of voice "pieces" without any breaks.
> I realized that it would be possible to alter just about any recorded
> voice conversation and present it as an original, and by
> selection of pieces, change the meaning of the conversation to just about
> anything you could want. You could "prove" just about
> anything your devious mind could desire. Shutter !!!! Conclusion:
> recorded voices should never be used in a court of law.
> Russ Guarino
> "Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis" wrote:
>> I think the original point of this thread was making a "silk purse out of
>> sow's ear". Taking musicians and singers who are not very good and
>> them something they are not.
>> It looks like it's the degree that is objectionable since everyone seems
>> do it using the technology available today. If this technology had been
>> available years ago I'm sure that they would have used it.
>> About 40 years ago I was at Missouri School for the Blind and we had a 20
>> band. We were recording a march and try as we might the second half just
>> never came off very well. Finally we got a good recording of the second
>> half but the first half was bad sooooooo..... I took out my trusty
>> and tape and presto we had a good performance. We have come a long way
>> since then.
>> I think you have to understand that true one take perfection is pretty
>> difficult to come by and live recordings may have some glitches.
>> Sometimes performances are memorable because of their glitches. Some
>> ago a high school friend who was a percussionist with the St. Louis
>> was doing the theme from 2001, Thus Spake Zarathustra. They were using a
>> synthasizer which was a new gadget at the time and my friend was front
>> center with an enormus drum set. Now drum set wasn't his suit. The
>> performance promptly got more and more out of sync but he bravely
>> away. No engineer could have fixed that.
>> I recorded a recent concert and one of the cuts was pretty good except
>> singer forgot her words and got lost in one small segment. Since the
>> section repeated I was able to cut out that part without any seam. You
>> can't tell where the cut was made and no one except a real enthusiast or
>> someone with a score would ever know. IMO this saved a pretty good tune.
>> see that as more or less like skipping a chorus or taking a cut from A to
>> to shorten a tune. I would have no problem lopping off a bad note out in
>> front of a tune.
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