[Dixielandjazz] Jazz and its relationship to country music

[Fred Hoeptner]

A recent post hypothesized that bluegrass music, generally considered to be 
a subset of country music, had evolved through the influence of trad jazz 
(OKOM).  While ostensibly this certainly seems reasonable, I question its 
accuracy.  Bluegrass didn't become a distinct style until the mid-1940s, and 
was not named until a decade later when it began to be associated with the 
music of Bill Monroe and his associates. Of course, there are similarities 
with trad, the main one being the presence of improvisatory solos, termed 
"breaks" in the bluegrass world.  I fact bluegrass evolved from earlier 
"old-time" styles, largely fiddle band music, which featured ensemble 
performance (a fiddle "band " was often no more than a fiddle and banjo or 
guitar).

Another subset of country music based in the west does, however, owe a major 
debt to pop and jazz.  "Western swing" is a term applied during the late 
1940s to this style that had developed in Texas and Oklahoma during the 
early 1930s.  It also evolved from the music of the fiddle band, many 
fiddlers having migrated west from the southeastern states.    Many years 
ago I interviewed fiddler Daniel Williams who testified that his group, the 
East Texas Serenaders, began to play popular tunes of the day including 
ragtime.  A major source of income for the group was house dances, and the 
dancers began to request the tunes that they were hearing on the radio. 
Western swing was typified by groups like Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys 
and the Light Crust Doughboys.  It is well documented that both groups 
frequented Kimball's furniture store in Dallas to listen to recordings that 
went back into the 1920s.  John "Knocky" Parker, later jazz and ragtime 
pianist and college professor, was raised on a cotton farm in a small Texas 
town and remembered Blind Lemon Jefferson stopping by his house (his dad was 
a blues and jazz fan who seems to have issued an open invitation to passing 
musicians).  Parker began as a teenager playing piano with the Light Crust 
Doughboys.  Wills later testified, "I rode horseback from the place between 
the rivers to Childress to see Bessie Smith...She was the greatest thing 
that I ever heard."


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>   1. Re: 100th Anniversary of Jazz (JBruno868 at aol.com)
>   2. Re: Baby Dodds style drumming on YouTube -or is it?
>      (Craig I. Johnson)
>   3. Re: Shameless Plug (Bill Haesler)
>   4. CD Costs & Profit (Steve Barbone)
>   5. Copyright Law (Steve Barbone)
>   6. Re: Herlin Riley (Bill Dendle)
>   7. Country & Western & Blue grass Musical Terms. (Steve Barbone)
>   8. Re: Herlin Riley (Dave Hanson)
>   9. Re: simple music (EDWIN COLTRIN)
>  10. International Bohem Ragtime & Jazz Festival (Robert S. Ringwald)
>  11. Re: Quick reference tune list of 20 Songs in Public Domain
>      (tcashwigg at aol.com)
>  12. Introducing : Pierre Guicqu?ro (Gary Kiser)
>  13. Re: Drummers (John Petters)
>  14. Recording those old 78s (Andy.Ling at quantel.com)
>  15. Re: YES!!!  Traditional jazz drums...... (John Petters)
>  16. Re: Herlin Riley -- Hal Smith (John Petters)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:08:44 EST
> From: JBruno868 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] 100th Anniversary of Jazz
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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>
> In a message dated 2/28/2007 7:47:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> barbonestreet at earthlink.net writes:
>
> What a  great
> marketing opportunity. And, of course, it is a great opportunity for  the
> current edition of the Original Tuxedo Jazz  Band.
>
>
>
>
>
> That is exactly what I was trying to say. As an  organization, we could, 
> get
> this going. Pick a date, a cause which I would like  to see be just OKOM, 
> not
> a person like Ella getting a stamp. That is wonderful  and she deserves it 
> but
> something Celebrating America's only true art form,  bring it too New
> Orleans, in April of whatever years to celebrate  Jazz.
>
> We could just get this going if anyone is  interested.
>
> BTW, it does scare me Steve that we agree so heartily  on this. Lol
>
> Jazz Hugs
>
> Judie
> <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free
> email to everyone.  Find out more about what's free from AOL at
> http://www.aol.com.
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:23:39 -0500
> From: "Craig I. Johnson" <civanj at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Baby Dodds style drumming on YouTube -or
> is it?
> To: "Dr. luis daniel flores" <ldf1950 at arnet.com.ar>, dixieland jazz
> mail list <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <45E5E4CB.8040002 at roadrunner.com>
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>
> Luis,
> Just set your browser to go to http://www.redhotjazz.com
> and browse the musician or organization lists  using the buttons at the
> bottom
> of the page. That will take you to a page describing the organization or
> giving
> the history of the musician and a discography. For the tunes (tracks) in 
> the
> discography if they have a link (underlined) select them and if you have
> the right
> music player they will eventually play.
>
> The music player required is real player which is available at:
> http://www.real.com/
> Select the free download on the right side of the page and it will 
> download
> and install. It will act as an adjunct to your browser to play real
> audio files.
>
> If you prefer to search for tunes, either
> 1) use google with the following type of search parameters
> using Beale Street Blues as an example:
> "Beale Street Blues" site:redhotjazz.com
> or
> 2) Go to my site's page wherein I list many of the songs on the
> redhotjazz site
> and browse the alphabetic title lists select the song title when you
> find it and ti
> will go to redhotjazz for you and play the song (again assuming you've
> installed real player.)
>
> That page on my site is:
> http://www.mainely-jazz.com/rhsongs/songframes.html
>
> ===as you can see when you get there it is time for me to do a new index
> of the redhotjazz. site.
> Still. I list thousands of tunes there.
>
> Regards,
> Craig Johnson
> The Maine Street Paraders
>
> Dr. luis daniel flores wrote:
>
>>Need your help,
>>How can I hear the music from the REDHOTJAZZ ?
>>thanks
>>Luis
>>Dr. Luis Daniel Flores FRCOG
>>www.jazzysentimientos.com.ar
>>domingos/Sundays 9:30/12:30 GMT
>>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 07:38:31 +1100
> From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Shameless Plug
> To: "d.sleeman" <d.sleeman at hccnet.nl>
> Cc: dixieland jazz mail list <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <C20C3377.13298%bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>>Mind you, we DO have piano players in the Netherlands, just check the 
>>other
> video!<
>
> Dear Dick,
> I tried the second video when you first sent the links, but all I got was 
> a
> great jazz sound, but no picture.
> Just a black strip at the left side of the screen.
> I was about to write to you, when my ISP went down for 24 hours!
> It was back on again this morning when I awoke to find 110 emails!
> I'll retry the second link later today.
> Kind regards,
> Bill.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:35:39 -0500
> From: Steve Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] CD Costs & Profit
> To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <C20B5FDB.8930%barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> "Robert S. Ringwald" <robert at ringwald.com> wrote (polite snip)
>
>> Ray, one flaw in your figures is not figuring in the cost of recording,
>> mixing, mastering, art work, type setting.  Also, payment to your 
>> musicians.
>>
>> This can run into thousands of dollars.
>
> Amen Bob. I pay the sidemen $1 for each CD sold in lieu of a performance 
> fee
> up front. Thus on 900 CDs sold, the 5 sidemen get a total of $4500. Plus 
> out
> of every 1000 CDs made, at least 100 are given away as promos, or used as
> marketing tools, etc., which lowers the gross by another $1500. That's 
> $6000
> less in profit assuming Ray's original calculations were right.
>
> Not to mention that at legitimate charity events (where we get paid to
> perform) we rebate $5 per CD sold back to the charity as a contribution.
>
> And if you sell CDs on  certain cruise gigs, or at certain jazz festivals,
> the cruise line, or cruise booking agent, or festival producer with their
> greed driven mindset often charges anywhere from 10 to 25% commission.
>
> Who gets screwed? The performing artist. But then, what's new about that?
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:06:26 -0500
> From: Steve Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Copyright Law
> To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <C20B6712.8931%barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> List Mates: (band leaders and musicians especially)
>
> We should be very clear on copyright law. Below is the copyright law as it
> currently exists in the US of A: Note the last 3 paragraphs. Especially 
> the
> one that explicitly says WORKS PUBLISHED IN 1922 OR EARLIER ARE IN THE
> PUBLIC DOMAIN etc, etc.
>
> That is the CURRENT LAW whether or not the copyright has a renewal date. 
> If,
> however a specific arrangement of that tune was later registered you might
> be in violation IF YOU COPY THAT ARRANGEMENT. Or if someone wrote new 
> words
> to an old tune e.g. That's Why They Call Me Shine, 1910 is public domain,
> BUT the newer lyric written in 1927; Shine you shoesies, shine away you
> bluesies etc., is protected. (they should never be sung anyway because 
> they
> are a bastardization of the original intent of the tune, but that's 
> another
> story)
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Barbone
>
>
> UNITED STATE COPYRIGHT LAW:
> US copyright law is found in Title 17 of the United States Code and is
> administered by the US Copyright Office.?? " Terms for Copyright
> Protection", a U.S. Government publication, summarizes the current 
> duration
> of copyright protection for published works as follows:
>
> *    Works created after 1/1/1978? -? life of the longest surviving author
> plus 70 years -? earliest possible PD date is 1/1/2048
> *    Works registered before 1/1/1978? -? 95 years from the date copyright
> was secured.
> *    Works registered before 1/1/1923 - Copyright protection for 75 years
> has expired and these works are in the public domain.
>
> The Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act was signed into law on October
> 27, 1998.? Prior to the Sonny Bono 20 year copyright term extension,
> copyright protection for works registered before 1/1/1978 was 75 years;
> therefore, compositions registered in 1922 or earlier entered the public
> domain on 1/1/1998.? The 1998 copyright extension did not extend copyright
> protection from 75 to 95 years for songs already in the public domain so . 
> .
>
> *    THE GOOD NEWS -? works published in the United States in 1922 or
> earlier are in the public domain even if? they are not yet 95 years old.?
>
> *    THE BAD NEWS - no new works will enter the public domain until 
> January
> 1, 2019.
>
> You can confirm the above information about public domain and copyright
> protection in "Extension of Copyright Terms", Circular 15t, of the U.S.
> Copyright Office.? Specifically the last paragraph of Page 3 states in 
> part
> "Works published before January 1, 1923, have fallen into the public
> domain."?
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:00:58 -0800
> From: "Bill Dendle" <bdendle at winfirst.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Herlin Riley
> To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <OGEIKJOAELPINHKNFHLBAEFACAAA.bdendle at winfirst.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Ed Metz, Jr. is the greatest drummer in the world - in any style, any 
> era -
> he always knows what to do, and supports the band and the music exactly as
> it should be done. He's not only a student of early jazz, swing, modern 
> jazz
> and rock; he can play literally anything incomparably.
>
> No offense to anyone else; there are many excellent drummers, and I've
> enjoyed playing with many through the years. It's just that after you play
> with Ed, you're spoiled.
>
> Bill Dendle
>
>
> Dave,
>>
>>
>>
>> I think Herlin is fantastic; he can play a different rhythm with each 
>> hand
>> and foot, and have it all come out perfectly. My other favorite
> traditional
>> drummer (and teacher) is Hal Smith.
>>
> -*********************************************
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:00:02 -0500
> From: Steve Barbone <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Country & Western & Blue grass Musical Terms.
> To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <C20B9DD2.8935%barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Given the recent CWB thread . . . here are Musical Terms Commonly Misused 
> by
> Country-Western-Bluegrass Musicians.
>
> 12 Tone Scale: ?What State Police use to weigh your tractor trailer
>
> A 440: ?The highway that runs around Nashville
>
> Aeolian Mode: ?How you like Mama's cherry pie
>
> Altos: Not to be confused with "Tom's toes," "Bubba's toes" or "Dori-toes"
>
> Arpeggio: ??"That storybook kid with the big nose that grows?
>
> Bach Chorale:  The place behind the barn where you keep the horses
>
> Bass: The things you run around in softball
>
> Bassoon: Typical response when asked what you hope to catch while fishin
>
> Big Band: When the bar pays enough to bring two banjo players
>
> Bossa Nova: The car your foreman drives
>
> Cadenza: That ugly thing your wife always vacuums dog hair off of when
> company comes
>
> Cello: The proper way to answer the phone
>
> Clarinet: Name for your second daughter if you've already used Betty Jo
>
> Clef: What you try never to fall off of
>
> Bass Clef: Where you wind up if you do fall off
>
> Conductor: The man who punches your ticket to Birmingham
>
> Cut Time: Parole
>
> Cymbal: Used on deer-crossing signs so you can to sight-in your rifle
>
> Diminished Fifth: An empty bottle of Jack Daniels
>
> First Inversion: Grandpa's battle group at Normandy
>
> French Horn: What your your wife says you smell like when you come home 
> late
>
> Major Scale: What you say after chasing wild game up a mountain: "Damn! 
> That
> was a major scale!"
>
> Melodic Minor: Loretta Lynn's singing dad
>
> Minor Third: ? Your approximate age and grade at the completion of 
> schooling
>
> Perfect Fifth: ??A full bottle of Jack Daniels
>
> Perfect Pitch: The smooth coating on a freshly paved road
>
> Pianissimo: ??"Refill this beer bottle"
>
> Portamento: ??A foreign country you've always wanted to see
>
> Quarter Tone: What most standard pickups can haul
>
> Relative Major: Your uncle in the Marine Corps
>
> Relative Minor: Your girlfriend
>
> Repeat: What you do until they just expel you
>
> Ritard: There's one in every family
>
> Sonata: What you get from a bad cold or hay fever
>
> Staccato: How you did all the ceilings in your mobile home
>
> Tempo: Good choice for a used car
>
> Time Signature: What you need from your boss if you forget to clock in
>
> Transpositions: Men who wear dresses
>
> Treble: Women ain't nothin' but
>
> Tuba: ??A compound word: "Hey, woman! Fetch me another tuba Bryll Cream!"
>
> Whole Note: What's due after failing to pay the mortgage for a year
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:09:18 -0500
> From: "Dave Hanson" <jazzdude39 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Herlin Riley
> To: "Bill Dendle" <bdendle at winfirst.com>
> Cc: DJML <Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <00b001c75ba6$9ec64080$6501a8c0 at phantom>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Try playing with Jeff Hamilton.......he's one of the best I've heard in 
> years, any style from big band to duo. I caught him at the Newport Beach 
> Jazz Party in CA, during Presidents weekend. He's also very friendly and 
> open to discussion.
>
> Dave Hanson
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Bill Dendle
>  To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:00 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Herlin Riley
>
>
>  Ed Metz, Jr. is the greatest drummer in the world - in any style, any 
> era -
>  he always knows what to do, and supports the band and the music exactly 
> as
>  it should be done. He's not only a student of early jazz, swing, modern 
> jazz
>  and rock; he can play literally anything incomparably.
>
>  No offense to anyone else; there are many excellent drummers, and I've
>  enjoyed playing with many through the years. It's just that after you 
> play
>  with Ed, you're spoiled.
>
>  Bill Dendle
>
>
>  Dave,
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > I think Herlin is fantastic; he can play a different rhythm with each 
> hand
>  > and foot, and have it all come out perfectly. My other favorite
>  traditional
>  > drummer (and teacher) is Hal Smith.
>  >
>  -*********************************************
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Dixielandjazz mailing list
>  Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
>  http://ml.islandnet.com/mailman/listinfo/dixielandjazz
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:02:55 -0800 (PST)
> From: EDWIN COLTRIN <boreda at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] simple music
> To: "Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis"
> <larrys.bands at charter.net>, "dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com"
> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <495624.33507.qm at web83204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> In the 30's there was a radio station in Oakland, Ca "KXL" that broadcast 
> hill billy music and also some country, Bob Wilber and early Autry and 
> others. If I remember correctly it was on most of their radio time.
>
>  When the Army stuck me in Misery, excuse, Missouri, Ft Leonard Wood, the 
> most listened to staton was KWTO, the watch tower of the Ozarks, with 
> cousin Emmy and her Pals, which pleased many a poor boy from the hill 
> country. Some had to travel by foot for two days to get to the 
> recruiting/induction station, that is according to Deneen Brock, and 
> Mumford.
>
>  Slainte
>
>  YE OLDE MOULDY FYGGE
>
>  Ed Coltrain ( as it was spelled in 1638)
>
> "Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis" <larrys.bands at charter.net> wrote:
>  Actually at one time there were two distinct types. There was Country 
> music
> and there was Western music. Western music were tunes like Back in the
> Saddle Again, Pistol Packin Momma, Don't Fence Me In, etc. I was young but
> my parents listened to Grand Old Opry that featured what was more 
> accurately
> described as Hill Billy music.
>
> Sometime, or at least I think it was, in the late 50's there became what 
> we
> call Country and Western when early rock as done by Elvis and other early
> performers started to morph into more modern styles of rock like Doo Wop,
> Beach Boys etc.
>
> This is all personal recollection so may not be entirely accurate but I
> think I'm pretty close ---- What do you think?
> Larry
> St. Louis
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "pat ladd"
>
> To: "jazz"
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:09 PM
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] simple music
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> bearing in mind that we have been forced to invent the acronym OKOM
>> because there is no agreemant about what constitutes JAZZ it was
>> refreshing while watching The Blues Brothers last night to hear the
>> following dialogue.
>>
>> `What sort of music do you get in here?`
>>
>> Aw, Both kinds. Country and Western`
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pat
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:35:18 -0800
> From: "Robert S. Ringwald" <robert at ringwald.com>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] International Bohem Ragtime & Jazz Festival
> To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Message-ID: <001001c75bcb$c87862d0$6401a8c0 at Bob>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Listmates,,
>
> Below is a message from fellow Listmate Tamas Ittzes, the producer of the
> 16th International
> Bohem Ragtime & Jazz Festival.  We, The Fulton Street Jazz Band plus Bob
> Romans and the Cell Block 7 Jazz Band will be featured,along with other 
> fine
> musicians from Hungary and from other countries.
>
> I was there with The Boondockers a couple of years ago and we had a great
> time.  It is a wonderful, friendly country and a fine Jazz Festival.
>
> The prices are incredibly inexpensive compared to the US.
>
> I hope you can join us for a really great time.  See below.
>
> --Bob Ringwald
> The Fulton Street Jazz Band
>
>
> -----
>
> Dear friends,
> We are organizing the 16th International Bohem Ragtime & Jazz Festival.
> Featured headliners are John Arpin ragtime pianist (Canada), the Fulton
> Street Jazz Band (USA), Bohem Ragtime Jazz Band (Hungary), Shaffer's
> Riffers (Czech Republic), Cell Block 7 (USA), Speak Easy Duo (USA), Adam
> Swanson 15-year-old ragtime pianist (USA) and many Hungarian musicians.
> You can find detailed information about concerts, hotel prices and
> tickets. The festival is coming up right now - only 3 weeks away. This
> is your last chance to sign up and come over! You would never regret if
> you came! So here is the deal:
> If somebody comes to our festival and does not like it, I'll personally
> pay him/her back the price of the Festival pass and the hotel fee of 3
> nights. You can find all necessary information on our Festival site at
> www.bohemragtime.com
> - you can download information about package
> prices, too.
> In case, you cannot make it but want to enjoy some of it, go to the
> "Festival performers" bottom link on the Festival page and you can
> download music and photos of the performers.
> Hope to see you soon,
> Tamas Ittzes
> Festival director
> Bohem Festival
> www.bohemragtime.com
> _________________________________________________
> Tamas ITTZES
> violin teacher, ragtime pianist, festival organizer
> Bohem Ragtime Jazz Band
> Kecskemet Jazz Foundation
> Mailing address: H-6001 KECSKEMET, Pf. 652., Hungary
> Phone: +36(20)82-447-82
> E-mails:
> news at bohemragtime.com
> Web site:
> http://www.bohemragtime.com
> _________________________________________________
>
>
>
> --Bob Ringwald K6YBV
> 916/806-9551
> www.ringwald.com
> --
> Leader, The Fulton Street Jazz Band
> www.fultonstreetjazz.com
> --
> The Boondockers (jazz and Comedy)
> www.theboondockers.com
>
> In the 60's, people took LSD to make the world weird. Now the world is
> weird
> and people take Prozac to make it normal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 01:57:51 -0500
> From: tcashwigg at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Quick reference tune list of 20 Songs in
> Public Domain
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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> Yews Sir That's exactly what I mean,  just because it is a Law does not
> mean it is not or was not turned into a SCAM long ago Sir.
>
> And yes I feel exactly the same way about the IRS  and the outdated tax
> laws that they keep changing every year to keep their own salary
> increases and benefits going and throwing away billions of the tax
> dollars for HONEST LAW Abiding blokes like you.
>
> If Laws were not meant to be broken there certainly would not be so
> many of them.   You see sir once they pass one they never never ever
> repeal it when and if they find it to be useless for anything other
> than collecting money for their own coffers and theft thru legal means
> of course.
>
>
> I have nothing against composers collecting royalties for their
> intellectual property and creations, what I oppose to is the Sharks
> that steal it all and it never trickles down to the composer most of
> the time.   It is a legal Ponzi Scheme at best.
>
>
> Bro. Tom
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rorel at aol.com
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Sent: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 4:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Quick reference tune list of 20 Songs in
> Public Domain
>
>
> In a message dated 2/27/2007 11:41:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> tcashwigg at aol.com writes:
>
> It's  folks like you Ray that keep these thieving bastards in business,
> and the  only ones getting paid are the administrators, the authors and
> composers  of 99% of OKOM are long dead and gone.
>
>
> Oh, you mean "folks like me" who obey the law?
>
> Ray
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:27:17 +0100
> From: Gary Kiser <gary at kiser.org>
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Introducing : Pierre Guicqu?ro
> To: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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> Hi all,
>
> Even though I have played with him for 15 years, I just discovered
> trombonist Pierre Guicqu?ro has a web site at
> http://pierre.guicquero.free.fr .  It is a basic bio type site written
> in French.  What I found interesting is on his 'Audio' page, he a clip
> from some of the groups with which he plays.  You will see that,
> although he leans very jazz, he plays in a diverse array of groups.  I
> include the clips below for your listening pleasure.
>
> Sac ? Pulses - from Passport to Paradise
> Riverboat Shuffle :
> http://pierre.guicquero.free.fr/pro/Audio_files/Riverboat%20Shuffle-1.mp3
> This is the trad jazz group where we play together most frequently.
> More info at www.sacapulses.com
>
> Paris Swing Orchestra - from Live au M?ridien
> Marie : http://pierre.guicquero.free.fr/pro/Audio_files/Marie.mp3
> This is a 40s style big band that puts a lot of emphasis on vocals
>
> Fab Foundation - from GURU
> You Find The Groove :
> http://pierre.guicquero.free.fr/pro/Audio_files/You%20Find%20the%20Groove.mp3
> This is Clermont-Ferrand's premier funk band
>
> Mojo Brass Band - from an unreleased demo CD
> Mon P'tit R?mi :
> http://pierre.guicquero.free.fr/pro/Audio_files/MonPtitRemi.mp3
> This is the world's smallest brass band playing a Guicqu?ro composition.
> Yours truly on tuba and Sac ? Pulses' Marc Verne on drums.  More info at
> www.mojobrassband.com
>
> J.-L. Longon Big Band - from Festival de Radio-France
> Two Note Blues :
> http://pierre.guicquero.free.fr/pro/Audio_files/2%20notes%20Blues.mp3
> This is a more modern big band playing a Longon original with Pierre up
> front on the lead.  Jean-Loup Longon is an outstanding composer,
> arranger and trumpet player, but a very difficult person to work with.
>
> Swing That Music - from an unreleased demo CD
> Please Don't Talk About Me :
> http://pierre.guicquero.free.fr/pro/Audio_files/Please%20Don%27t%20Talk%20About%20Me.mp3
> A more tradish swing group
>
> The Pierre Guicqu?ro Quintet - from a live recording at Jazz en T?te
> For L?na l'Ain?e :
> http://pierre.guicquero.free.fr/pro/Audio_files/ForLenaLainee.mp3
> This group was put together especially for Jazz en T?te,
> Clermont-Ferrand's fall jazz festival.  This is another Guicqu?ro compo.
>
> The following cuts are not on Pierre's web site, but should be.  The
> show off his diversity.
>
> Dha Gue Na - from an unreleased demo
> Guaguanco de Cuba :
> http://www.kiserlabs.monespace.net/tunes/DhaGueNa/Guaguanco_de_Cuba.mp3
> This is a great hybrid salsa/hip-hop group.  Probably not to everyone's
> tastes.  I love 'em.  Sac ? Pulses' Marc Verne on drums.
>
> Dha Gue Na - from an unreleased demo
> Acid Salsa :
> http://www.kiserlabs.monespace.net/tunes/DhaGueNa/Acid_Salsa.mp3
> I include this second clip of Dha Gue Na to explain the salsa/hip-hop
> stuff.  Sac ? Pulses' Marc Verne on drums.
>
> Le Grand Rateau - from unreleased demo
> Vos D?sordres Sont D?sirs! :
> http://www.kiserlabs.monespace.net/tunes/GrandRateay/Vos_Desordres_Sont_Desirs.mp3
> This is a fun small (one horn per part) big band sounding group.  Sac ?
> Pulses' Marc Verne on drums.
>
> Big Band Turqoise - from Eb?ne
> Tour de Force :
> http://www.kiserlabs.monespace.net/tunes/Turquoise/Tour_de_Force.mp3
> Pierre solos on this JL Longon arrangement of this Gillespie tune.
>
> Pierre also recorded with Mo and the Reapers an electric blues band but
> I don't have the CD.  He has played, but not recorded, with Yankees
> Eddie Erickson, Ralf and John Reynolds, Sue Kroninger, Corey Gemme no
> name a few.
>
> There you go.  I hope you enjoyed this introduction to Pierre
> Guicqu?ro.  I welcome all coments.
>
> All the best, Gary
>
> Gary Kiser
> www.sacapulses.com
> www.mojobrassband.com
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:51:07 +0000
> From: John Petters <jdpetters at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Drummers
> To: glen page <gpage at dccnet.com>
> Cc: DJML <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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> glen page wrote:
>  No sooner had the band started
>> than I recognized that I had not heard drumming like that before. Cie 
>> opened
>> my mind to the joys of hearing great drumming. I have heard him several
>> times in the flesh since that, and of course many times on record, but 
>> never
>> to such good effect.
> Cie was one of the great players in the revival period. Much better in
> my view than Joe Watkins. Louis Barabarin was another. They all had that
> feel. A drummer can make or break a band. Get a good one and it will
> take off
>
> John Petters
> www.traditional-jazz.com
> Amateur Radio Station G3YPZ
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:59:47 +0000
> From: Andy.Ling at quantel.com
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Recording those old 78s
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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> Mainly for the guys in the UK. I've just noticed Maplin have
> a sale on and included in it is a USB turntable. See :-
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2edakd
>
> and if you scroll down a bit there is also a stylus for 78s.
>
> Looks like there are plenty of turntables in stock and the stylus
> should be in a day or so.
>
> I have no knowledge of the quality of these things, just passing
> on the info for anyone whose interested.
>
> Andy Ling
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:07:50 +0000
> From: John Petters <jdpetters at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] YES!!!  Traditional jazz drums......
> To: Butch Thompson <butte1 at mac.com>
> Cc: djml <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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> Butch Thompson wrote:
>> John Petters wrote:
>>
>>> Early style jazz drumming is in danger of becoming a lost art with most
>>> drummers in traditional bands either unaware or disinterested in the
>>> early styles.
>>
>> Exactly right, John.  Looking forward to checking out your clips later
>> today, but wanted to thank you right away for saying what needs to be 
>> said.
>
>
> Thank you Butch. I posted two comments on Jeff Indyke's Baby Dodds style
>  video, but guess he is censoring them for some reason. You might like
> to check his video and see if you agree with me that he is not playing
> in the Dodds style yet is claiming to so do.
> Link
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4pSL82E5g
> As I know you are  as serious about the music as I am, It is always sad
> when folk try to play it and either get misled or don't bother to study
> the roots.
> Keep swinging
>
> John Petters
> www.traditional-jazz.com
> Amateur Radio Station G3YPZ
>
>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:09:58 +0000
> From: John Petters <jdpetters at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Herlin Riley -- Hal Smith
> To: JBruno868 at aol.com
> Cc: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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>
> JBruno868 at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> John,  Yes, Hal is a terrific drummer in several styles.  I have had the
>> pleasure of working with him on many occasions and it is always a 
>> pleasure
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Many have seen me sitting up front or at the edge of  the stage when I 
>> have
>> the opportunity to see Hal play. I can never get enough of  his drumming 
>> nor
>> washboard. He is my favorite I have to admit if one can have a  favorite 
>> in this
>> music.
>
>
> You can certainly have a favourite Judie. As I said before, Hal is a
> wonderful drummer. Long may he swing!
> John Petters
> www.traditional-jazz.com
> Amateur Radio Station G3YPZ
>
>
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