[Dixielandjazz] Fw: OH PLEASE, MR. SHAW

[Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis]

Sounds like he came from the Al Gore school of invention.
Larry
St. Louis
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Newman" <bobngaye at surewest.net>
To: "Larry Walton" <larrys.bands at charter.net>
Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Fw: OH PLEASE, MR. SHAW


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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Newman" <bobngaye at surewest.net>
> To: "Steve Barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:52 PM
> Subject: OH PLEASE, MR. SHAW
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>> Steve -- I have a couple of recorded interviews with Artie Shaw where he 
>> said, "Oh, yes, I was the first one to play that ending high note on the 
>> Concerto.   I invented the fingering for it."    Well -- anybody can 
>> invent an alternate fingering for the altissimo clarinet and sax range, 
>> but C4 and all the notes below down to low E were on the clarinet 
>> fingering charts long before little Artie was born.
>>
>> I say that Shaw was trying to give the impression that clarinetists 
>> didn't use C4 until he did.    He was, as they say in the rubber industry 
>> "stretching a point."    I have an age-yellowed big fingering chart 
>> assembled by Cyrille Rose of the Paris Conservatory of Music.    He was a 
>> professor there from 1838 to 1868.     The chart, published by the Carl 
>> Fischer Co. of New York, is copyright dated 1898.   I got it with my 1937 
>> Klose Volume I, II.    It shows two similar fingerings for C4, and they 
>> both work on my Boehm clarinets, and have worked well since 1940, when I 
>> copied Shaw's "Concerto For Clarinet" off  78rpm Victor 36383.    The 
>> only thing Shaw did on the Concerto recording was the very smooth gliss 
>> up to C4 from G4 at the end.    He did have a beautiful tone and 
>> wonderful ideas and control.    If only he hadn't stretched the truth a 
>> bit.    He didn't need to say he invented the wheel.    He just made it 
>> rounder.
>>
>> By the way, if you want to enjoy other people playing the Shaw Concerto, 
>> I recommend the Harry James recording with Herb Lorden on the clarinet. 
>> Herb is not only a fine clarinet/sax player, he arranges masterfully. 
>> And he's a nice guy.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve Barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
>> To: "Robert Newman" <bobngaye at surewest.net>
>> Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:33 AM
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Clarinet Newbie
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> But then, you can invent your own fingering as your progress. Heck, Both 
>>> Bix
>>> Beiderbecke and Roy Eldridge come to mind as people who did not finger
>>> "correctly" using the wrong valves, yet the right notes came out. In the
>>> absence of altissimo fingering charts in the 1930s, Artie Shaw invented 
>>> the
>>> fingerings we now use.  And today, some clarinet players use alternate 
>>> (read
>>> "wrong") fingering above high C, especially for D, E, and F.
>>>
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