[Dixielandjazz] Fw: OH PLEASE, MR. SHAW

[Robert Newman]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Newman" <bobngaye at surewest.net>
To: "Steve Barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: OH PLEASE, MR. SHAW


> Steve -- I have a couple of recorded interviews with Artie Shaw where he 
> said, "Oh, yes, I was the first one to play that ending high note on the 
> Concerto.   I invented the fingering for it."    Well -- anybody can 
> invent an alternate fingering for the altissimo clarinet and sax range, 
> but C4 and all the notes below down to low E were on the clarinet 
> fingering charts long before little Artie was born.
>
> I say that Shaw was trying to give the impression that clarinetists didn't 
> use C4 until he did.    He was, as they say in the rubber industry 
> "stretching a point."    I have an age-yellowed big fingering chart 
> assembled by Cyrille Rose of the Paris Conservatory of Music.    He was a 
> professor there from 1838 to 1868.     The chart, published by the Carl 
> Fischer Co. of New York, is copyright dated 1898.   I got it with my 1937 
> Klose Volume I, II.    It shows two similar fingerings for C4, and they 
> both work on my Boehm clarinets, and have worked well since 1940, when I 
> copied Shaw's "Concerto For Clarinet" off  78rpm Victor 36383.    The only 
> thing Shaw did on the Concerto recording was the very smooth gliss up to 
> C4 from G4 at the end.    He did have a beautiful tone and wonderful ideas 
> and control.    If only he hadn't stretched the truth a bit.    He didn't 
> need to say he invented the wheel.    He just made it rounder.
>
> By the way, if you want to enjoy other people playing the Shaw Concerto, I 
> recommend the Harry James recording with Herb Lorden on the clarinet. Herb 
> is not only a fine clarinet/sax player, he arranges masterfully.    And 
> he's a nice guy.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> To: "Robert Newman" <bobngaye at surewest.net>
> Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:33 AM
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Clarinet Newbie
>
>
>
>>
>> But then, you can invent your own fingering as your progress. Heck, Both 
>> Bix
>> Beiderbecke and Roy Eldridge come to mind as people who did not finger
>> "correctly" using the wrong valves, yet the right notes came out. In the
>> absence of altissimo fingering charts in the 1930s, Artie Shaw invented 
>> the
>> fingerings we now use.  And today, some clarinet players use alternate 
>> (read
>> "wrong") fingering above high C, especially for D, E, and F.
>>
>
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