[Dixielandjazz] The most important 7 bars in traditional jazz
Tamas Ittzes
bohem at fibermail.hu
Mon Jul 2 15:34:43 PDT 2007
Hi Lutemann, I think, there's some problems in your post:
--------------
IV, II7, I, VI7, II7, V7, I
(The VI, II, V I progression is standard in all tonal music.)
Sometimes
they mess with the first or second II7. The first II7 can be just about
any
dominant substitution.
--------------
You meant SUBdominant substitution, I think. In most cases there is a
diminished #IV7 (as in Bill Bailey) or a IVm as in Struttin'. There is
no II7 after the IV. The ascending bass line is important.
--------------
In Milenburg Joys the composer uses bVI7 substitution for
both the VI and II7.
--------------
I'm convinced that there is bVI7 only for the first time, there is II7
at the end.
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:46:24 -0400
From: loerchen2 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Dixielandjazz Digest, Vol 54, Issue 61
To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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I was at a jam session last year where the majority were playing Bill
Bailey and two others played "Around the World in 80 Days."? It worked,
but I hope I never have to do that again!
Sue
From: Kent Murdick <kmurdick at jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] The most important 7 bars in Trad Jazz
This post never showed up so I'm trying again.
I'm probably not telling anyone on this list anything new, but here
goes. One of the most important chord progressions in
\
\ polite snip....
\
Here are are few tunes with this classic 7
bars. BTW, does this progression come up before Bill Bailey, say in
ragtime? I'm sure it must. Classical music too.
Bill Bailey
Milenburg Joys
Tiger Rag
Some of these Days
Struttin With some BarBQ
Washington and Lee Swing
I Can't Give You anything But Love
Up a Lazy River
Let Me Call You Sweetheart (IV, bI7, I, VIm7,II7, V7, I) nice!
Sister Kate
Bourbon Street Parade (this IS Bill Bailey)
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:38:00 +0100
From: "Dingo" <roadie at btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Broadband internet on the cheap (Jazz
related)
To: "DJML" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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Dave Livingston wrote:
This is OKOM related because some of our listmates with dial up can't
listen
to some of the great jazz stations that are cropping up on the internet.
Listmates, this goes out to all our U.S. friends who are still using
dial
up. If you are in an AT&T area, you can get basic broadband for $10 a
month.
AT&T (formerly SBC Global) made this deal possible because an agreement
with
the FCC. They don't advertise it so you have to dig into their site to
find
it. I copied the link that will get you to the right page.
Go to the link,
https://swot.sbc.com/swot/promoLanding.do
and answer no (truthfully of course) to the two questions, click
continue
then input your phone number and click continue. You will be offered a
list
of broadband packages that includes the $10 deal.
Hope this will help some people,
==========
Dave,
There is one other consideration. Whether the folks still on dial up
have
computers that can handle broadband. I suspect some may not. Until April
this year I was on dial up with BT, the UK's biggest telco and while
broadband was available in my village and the cost of subscribing was
not a
problem, my faithful 'old' Pentium 2 350Mhz Windows 98 First Edition PC
would not have coped with it and my ISP would have offered no support if
I
had tried and things became screwed up.
So any folks still on dial up, DO, DO check that your computer can
handle
broadband before committing yourself to a deal from any company.
~~
John D
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:04:21 +0200
From: Gary Kiser <gary at kiser.org>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Daniel Huck
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Hi all,
I have written, talked and gargled the name 'Daniel Huck' countless
times over the years. I have stated and emphasized on how good he is
and how glad I am to play with him a half dozen or so times per year.
I've gone on and on on how great his sax playing, singing, scatting and
stage presence are. But, I have always had to leave you to trust me.
Well, this time 'round, I am sending a couple of video clips where you
can see Daniel play. I also include a couple of audio excerpts.
Daniel is a true working musician. He plays over 200 gigs a year and
commands a nice price. I just know he would make a hit in the States.
He has told me on many occasion that he would love to play a couple of
American jazz festivals, because he never has. I have informed him what
festivals pay and he is still hot to do it. I doubt he is good for more
than 2 or three 'festivals' before he is swept up by the 'jazz party'
bunch.
Actually, I should clarify that he wants to play jazz in the States. He
has made three tours with Les Primitifs du Futur, a musette/novelty
group. Here are two clips of Les Primitifs du Futur at the Webster
Theater in New York :
-- http://youtube.com/watch?v=4u7MzUSyu3w (Daniel plays alto sax)
-- http://youtube.com/watch?v=uptVsdFJPkE (here he scats. His wife
joins in later)
Jazz wise, he can play pretty much any style. He was a member of
Charquet and Co, The Anachronic Jazz Band, Les Primitifs du Futur, to
name just a few. He played more modern/funky jazz with Eddy Louiss. He
has done many TV commercials. I am a huge fan.
In 1997 (I think), Big Mama Sue & Fast Eddie Erickson were over here and
we played as a trio. Except one evening we had Daniel too. Great fun
was had by all. Daniel says that Eddie kisses him on the lips when they
cross each other at European festivals.
Here are the new clips I just discovered.
I Lost my Girl from Memphis - Hot Antic Jazz Band 2004
Recorded in Nimes, France during the band's 25th anniverary.
Daniel -- among others -- is invited to play with the Hot Antics. Here
you can hear him scat, then mix it up with Jean-Francois Bonnel another
excellent reed man. It seems the video was edited as there are a couple
of weird cuts.
==--> http://youtube.com/watch?v=iEQ82Vclflc
Sau Sha Stomp - Hot Antic Jazz Band 2004
Recorded in Nimes, France during the band's 25th anniverary.
Daniel's solo work is near the end of the tune.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YY0v_ViKLBE
Do Something - Hot Antic Jazz Band 2004
Recorded in Nimes, France during the band's 25th anniverary.
Here, Daniel has his solo a little past half way and Jean-Francois
Bonnel gets one a bit latter. This video looks cut too.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LtZ_RLwDKWg
Here are a few short excerpts from the second CD he made with his wife
Monique.
-- Il Scatte : Monique sings of a crazy guy that scats. Daniel takes a
short chorus here.
http://media.virginmega.fr/PreviewStreams/ZBR_0826596004174_01_001_32.wm
a
-- Improvisation pour Monique : Daniel sings a love song to his bride to
the chords of Body and Soul.
http://media.virginmega.fr/PreviewStreams/ZBR_0826596004174_01_008_32.wm
a
-- Quand on est au volant : Daniel and Monique sing and whistle together
http://media.virginmega.fr/PreviewStreams/ZBR_0826596004174_01_011_32.wm
a
-- Java des fleurs d'oranger : Daniel backs up Monique on a waltz
musette
http://media.virginmega.fr/PreviewStreams/ZBR_0826596004174_01_012_32.wm
a
-- Pourquoi tu Scatte? : More scatting. The spoken voice is his son.
http://media.virginmega.fr/PreviewStreams/ZBR_0826596004174_01_015_32.wm
a
-- Retour ? Paris : More singing by Daniel.
http://media.virginmega.fr/PreviewStreams/ZBR_0826596004174_01_014_32.wm
a
-- To hear all the sound samples from this CD, go to :
http://www.vm-wl.com/default.aspx?RefererId=18&BannerId=1&RechArtiste=DA
NIEL%20HUCK#063969778955326482
There are sound excerpts on this page for an out of print CD. Here,
Daniel is with just piano and bass. Nice mix of tunes from Hoagy's
Rockin' Chair to Dameron's Good Bait.
http://www4.fnac.com/Shelf/article.aspx?PRID=726540&Mn=2&Ra=-28&To=0&Nu=
1&Fr=3
Here is a short sound clip with Le Petite Jazzband De Mr. Morel
Ozark Mountain Blues : http://www.jazzbymail.com/Streams/1344_6.rm
The whole CD is at
http://www.jazzbymail.com/ViewAlbum.aspx?iPID=1131&iAID=1066&sPC=1066_11
31&sLCD=1344&sAN=Le%20Petite%20Jazzband%20De%20Mr.%20Morel
And, lastly
Zoo Blues - Les Primitifs du Futur
This is just a strange video. And, only 31 seconds long. Here Daniel
sings with a musical saw.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PThSJXHg-DU
Enjoy. I wonder what you all think.
All the best, Gary
Gary Kiser
Clermont-Ferrand, France
www.myspace.com/garykiser
www.sacapulses.com
www.mojobrassband.com
www.massifjazz.com
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:51:39 +0200
From: "Rob & Carla Henneveld" <info at yes2jazz.com>
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Benny Goodman performed by 4BEAT6
To: "'Bill Haesler'" <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>, "'Dixieland Jazz
Mailing List'" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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Dear Bill,
Thanks for the compliments. 4BEAT6 rehearsed for a whole year (!) on +/-
15-20 original Goodman arrangements. Besides this tey are all
professionals
(well except the clarinet player Bernard Berkhout: he's a doctor....).
This rehearsals they did were complete madness. On the other hand this
showed that Benny Goodman, Charlie Christian, Lionel Hampton and the
other
members were great musicians.
A new CD has just been released and is supported (sponsored) by one of
the
greatest super markets of Holland !
Kind regards,
Rob Henneveld
www.yes2jazz.com
www.4beat6.com
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Bill Haesler [mailto:bhaesler at bigpond.net.au]
Verzonden: woensdag 20 juni 2007 5:02
Aan: Rob & Carla Henneveld
CC: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
Onderwerp: Re: Benny Goodman performed by 4BEAT6
> For those of you who like the Benny Goodman sound, notice there is a
> new
> band in Europe - Holland, performing exactly the sound and music of
the
> early Benny Goodman (& Lionel Hampton Charlie Christian) sextet.
> 4BEAT6 www.4beat6.com <http://www.4beat6.com/>
Dear Rob,
When I read your enthusiastic email I said quietly to myself "Not
another one. Why bother?"
But checked out the website anyway.
On their Home Page there is a musical link, presumably including some
of the concert performance you mention.
I didn't time the music, but it runs for well over 40 minutes.
What a fine swinging group!
Not a BG Sextet clone, as I had assumed.
Thank you for the introduction.
Kind regards,
Bill.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:24:35 EDT
From: Lutemann at aol.com
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] The most important 7 bars in traditional jazz
To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
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This post never showed up so I'm trying again.
I'm probably not telling anyone on this list anything new but here
goes.
One of the most important chord progressions in Jazz from 1910-1930 has
to be
the last 7 bars of Bill Bailey. The interesting thing is how this
progression
is sometime hidden either by the melody or by slight variations. I'm
talking
about
IV, II7, I, VI7, II7, V7, I
(The VI, II, V I progression is standard in all tonal music.)
Sometimes
they mess with the first or second II7. The first II7 can be just about
any
dominant substitution In Milenburg Joys the composer uses bVI7
substitution for
both the VI and II7. In "Up a Lazy River" the progression is double
timed.
I use this idea to help me memorize chord progressions. Here are are
few
tunes with this classic 7 bars. BTW, does this progression come up
before Bill
Bailey, say in ragtime? I'm sure it must. Classical music too.
Bill Bailey
Milenburg Joys
Tiger Rag
Some of these Days
Struttin With some BarBQ
Washington and Lee Swing
I Can't Give You anything But Love
Up a Lazy River
Let Me Call You Sweetheart (IV, bI7, I, VIm7,II7, V7, I) nice!
Sister Kate
Bourbon Street Parade (this IS Bill Bailey)
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:36:05 +0300
From: "Marek Boym" <marekboym at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Daniel Huck
To: "Gary Kiser" <gary at kiser.org>, Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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Wow!
Haven't got the time to listen right now - its past 1:30AM here - but
I sure will, and urge all the listmates to do the same.
I do not care for musette, but I have heard Huck in Breda, and he was
wonderful! At a "Duo Special" concert, he was feeling sick, and was
afraid he would not be able to play. Whd the duo started
""S'wondefrul," the woman next to me started singing "It's
Marvellous," and Huck looked at her and sait wistfully: "I hope." It
was.
Cheers,
Marek
On 29/06/07, Gary Kiser <gary at kiser.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have written, talked and gargled the name 'Daniel Huck' countless
> times over the years. I have stated and emphasized on how good he is
> and how glad I am to play with him a half dozen or so times per year.
> I've gone on and on on how great his sax playing, singing, scatting
and
> stage presence are. But, I have always had to leave you to trust me.
>
> Well, this time 'round, I am sending a couple of video clips where you
> can see Daniel play. I also include a couple of audio excerpts.
>
> Daniel is a true working musician. He plays over 200 gigs a year and
> commands a nice price. I just know he would make a hit in the States.
> He has told me on many occasion that he would love to play a couple of
> American jazz festivals, because he never has. I have informed him
what
> festivals pay and he is still hot to do it. I doubt he is good for
more
> than 2 or three 'festivals' before he is swept up by the 'jazz party'
bunch.
>
> Actually, I should clarify that he wants to play jazz in the States.
He
> has made three tours with Les Primitifs du Futur, a musette/novelty
> group. Here are two clips of Les Primitifs du Futur at the Webster
> Theater in New York :
> -- http://youtube.com/watch?v=4u7MzUSyu3w (Daniel plays alto sax)
> -- http://youtube.com/watch?v=uptVsdFJPkE (here he scats. His wife
> joins in later)
>
> Jazz wise, he can play pretty much any style. He was a member of
> Charquet and Co, The Anachronic Jazz Band, Les Primitifs du Futur, to
> name just a few. He played more modern/funky jazz with Eddy Louiss.
He
> has done many TV commercials. I am a huge fan.
>
> In 1997 (I think), Big Mama Sue & Fast Eddie Erickson were over here
and
> we played as a trio. Except one evening we had Daniel too. Great fun
> was had by all. Daniel says that Eddie kisses him on the lips when
they
> cross each other at European festivals.
>
> Here are the new clips I just discovered.
>
> I Lost my Girl from Memphis - Hot Antic Jazz Band 2004
> Recorded in Nimes, France during the band's 25th anniverary.
> Daniel -- among others -- is invited to play with the Hot Antics.
Here
> you can hear him scat, then mix it up with Jean-Francois Bonnel
another
> excellent reed man. It seems the video was edited as there are a
couple
> of weird cuts.
> ==--> http://youtube.com/watch?v=iEQ82Vclflc
>
> Sau Sha Stomp - Hot Antic Jazz Band 2004
> Recorded in Nimes, France during the band's 25th anniverary.
> Daniel's solo work is near the end of the tune.
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=YY0v_ViKLBE
>
> Do Something - Hot Antic Jazz Band 2004
> Recorded in Nimes, France during the band's 25th anniverary.
> Here, Daniel has his solo a little past half way and Jean-Francois
> Bonnel gets one a bit latter. This video looks cut too.
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=LtZ_RLwDKWg
>
> Here are a few short excerpts from the second CD he made with his wife
> Monique.
> -- Il Scatte : Monique sings of a crazy guy that scats. Daniel takes
a
> short chorus here.
>
http://media.virginmega.fr/PreviewStreams/ZBR_0826596004174_01_001_32.wm
a
> -- Improvisation pour Monique : Daniel sings a love song to his bride
to
> the chords of Body and Soul.
>
http://media.virginmega.fr/PreviewStreams/ZBR_0826596004174_01_008_32.wm
a
> -- Quand on est au volant : Daniel and Monique sing and whistle
together
>
http://media.virginmega.fr/PreviewStreams/ZBR_0826596004174_01_011_32.wm
a
> -- Java des fleurs d'oranger : Daniel backs up Monique on a waltz
musette
>
http://media.virginmega.fr/PreviewStreams/ZBR_0826596004174_01_012_32.wm
a
> -- Pourquoi tu Scatte? : More scatting. The spoken voice is his son.
>
http://media.virginmega.fr/PreviewStreams/ZBR_0826596004174_01_015_32.wm
a
> -- Retour ? Paris : More singing by Daniel.
>
http://media.virginmega.fr/PreviewStreams/ZBR_0826596004174_01_014_32.wm
a
> -- To hear all the sound samples from this CD, go to :
>
http://www.vm-wl.com/default.aspx?RefererId=18&BannerId=1&RechArtiste=DA
NIEL%20HUCK#063969778955326482
>
> There are sound excerpts on this page for an out of print CD. Here,
> Daniel is with just piano and bass. Nice mix of tunes from Hoagy's
> Rockin' Chair to Dameron's Good Bait.
>
http://www4.fnac.com/Shelf/article.aspx?PRID=726540&Mn=2&Ra=-28&To=0&Nu=
1&Fr=3
>
> Here is a short sound clip with Le Petite Jazzband De Mr. Morel
> Ozark Mountain Blues : http://www.jazzbymail.com/Streams/1344_6.rm
> The whole CD is at
>
http://www.jazzbymail.com/ViewAlbum.aspx?iPID=1131&iAID=1066&sPC=1066_11
31&sLCD=1344&sAN=Le%20Petite%20Jazzband%20De%20Mr.%20Morel
>
> And, lastly
>
> Zoo Blues - Les Primitifs du Futur
> This is just a strange video. And, only 31 seconds long. Here Daniel
> sings with a musical saw.
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=PThSJXHg-DU
>
> Enjoy. I wonder what you all think.
>
> All the best, Gary
>
> Gary Kiser
> Clermont-Ferrand, France
>
> www.myspace.com/garykiser
> www.sacapulses.com
> www.mojobrassband.com
> www.massifjazz.com
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:36:35 -0700
From: "Stan Brager" <sbrager at socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Fwd: Redhotjazz archive in jeopardy of
closing downdue to new laws
To: "Bill Haesler" <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>,
<Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Cc: jazzgirl1920s at aol.com, Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
<dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Bill;
There is NO new legislation in the U.S. which created this problem with
the
internet music stations (of which Redhotjazz may or may not be a part).
The
following article from the Los Angeles Times (see below) clarifies that
this
stems from a ruling by the Copyright Royalty Board which authorized fees
to
be collected.
The article also talks about a piece of legislation which would overturn
the
ruling by the Copyright Royalty Board. Here is that article:
"Internet radio stations to protest royalty hikes
They will replace music with silence today to fight royalty rate hikes.
By Jim Puzzanghera, Times Staff Writer
June 26, 2007
WASHINGTON - Across the Internet, the music will die today.
It's a protest staged by online radio stations to preview what they say
will
happen when substantially higher royalty rates kick in next month,
silencing
for good stations that can't afford them.
Thousands of webcasters will replace their music streams today with
periods
of silence and occasional messages about the dispute, urging people to
press
Congress to reverse the royalty rate and fee increase set by a federal
board. But despite growing support, Congress is unlikely to act before
July
15, when the new rates take effect.
That leaves Internet radio operators hoping that a federal court will
grant
an emergency stay, or that negotiations with SoundExchange, the
organization
that collects and distributes Internet music royalties, will lead to
lower
rates and fees.
"It's not a moneymaking venture; it's a labor of love," said Ted
Leibowitz,
39, a software engineer who runs BAGeL Radio from his San Francisco
apartment.
He pays about $1,000 a year to broadcast "indie rock" 24 hours a day,
sending out about 40,000 music streams a month through Live365.com, an
Internet radio service based in Foster City, Calif. The new royalty
rates
threaten to shut down Live365, and Leibowitz estimates that he would
have to
pay more than $100,000 a year in royalties and fees to keep his station
going.
"Even if I was a wealthy man," he said, "that would be a very expensive
hobby."
So BAGeL Radio is joining Yahoo Music, MTV Online, Rhapsody and other
sites
in the National Day of Silence led by SaveNetRadio, a coalition of large
and
small webcasters and artists opposing the royalty hike. Many of those
sites
will point their listeners to an hourlong forum on the issue being aired
continuously today by KCRW-FM (89.9) in Santa Monica, which may have to
cut
back its Internet music streaming if the rates take effect.
The webcasters are protesting a decision in March by the Copyright
Royalty
Board, an obscure group of federal judges. The current rate of 0.08 of a
cent per listener each time a song is played will more than double by
2010.
The board also set a $500-a-year administrative fee for each channel a
webcaster broadcasts, and removed an alternative rate structure for
small
sites that capped royalties at 10% to 12% of their revenue.
Many webcasters will have to pay a large lump sum July 15 because the
new
rates and fees are retroactive to the start of 2006, when the old rates
expired.
The ruling sparked outrage on the Internet, where about 72 million
listeners
a month tune in Internet music stations as an alternative to broadcast
and
satellite radio.
Despite the royalty ruling, SoundExchange can strike separate deals with
websites. John Simson, the organization's executive director, said
negotiations were continuing and dismissed fears of an Internet radio
apocalypse July 15.
"We're going to be very busy the next two weeks," he said.
The $500-a-channel fee is as controversial as the per-song royalty hike.
Live365, for example, has about 10,000 channels, many of which are run
by
hobbyists, who pay as little as $10 a month for the company to handle
their
technology needs and royalties.
Chief Executive N. Mark Lam estimates that Live365 will owe $7 million
on
July 15. The company made about $7,000 profit on $8.7 million in revenue
last year - its first annual profit since launching in 1999. He
predicted
the new rates would kill the company.
Yahoo Music and Pandora have a similar problem because they create
personalized music channels for thousands of listeners, all subject to
the
$500 fee. Ian Rogers, general manager of Yahoo Music, estimated the
company
would have to pay about $750 million in that fee alone.
Legislation has been introduced in the House and the Senate to roll back
the
royalty rate and fee increases. Although the House bill has 119
co-sponsors,
there's almost no chance that it can get through Congress before July
15.
Rep. Jay Inslee (D-Wash.), the lead sponsor of the House bill, said he
would
continue to push for passage after the deadline. "We're just not going
to
let this nascent industry die and we're not going to let people's
websites
go blank," he said."
Stan
Stan Brager
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Haesler" <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
To: <Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Cc: <jazzgirl1920s at aol.com>; "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List"
<dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:09 AM
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Fwd: Redhotjazz archive in jeopardy of closing
downdue to new laws
> Dear friends,
> The following worrying email has come in from Linda, moderator of the
> Jelly Roll Morton list.
> It seems that the magnificent Red Hot Jazz Archive site is also under
> threat from the proposed legislation aimed at the 'little' US internet
> radio stations by big business and may be forced to close (after 11
> years) on 15 July 2007.
> It looks as though we 'outsiders' may be penalised after all.
> Kind regards,
> Bill. Who doesn't really understand it all.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: "Linda" <jazzgirl1920s at aol.com>
> > Date: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:11:29 AM Australia/Sydney
> > To: jellyrollmorton at yahoogroups.com
> >
> > I would like to direct readers to a post at Yahoo redhotjazz by the
> > owner of the redhotjazz archive, Scott Alexander. I have learned the
> > redhotjazz archive, which we all use to listen to our favorite early
> > jazz recordings, may have to close down due to a financial hardship
> > imposed by new laws concerning music copyrights and royalty
> > payments. We should do all we can to prevent this unfortunate
> > circumstance from happening.-Linda
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/RedHotJazz/message/4395
>
> Kind regards,
> Bill.
>
>
>
>
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:36:35 -0700
From: "Stan Brager" <sbrager at socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Fwd: Redhotjazz archive in jeopardy of
closing downdue to new laws
To: "Bill Haesler" <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>,
<Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Cc: jazzgirl1920s at aol.com, Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
<dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Message-ID: <004801c7b9d4$d0608420$6501a8c0 at jazzman>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Bill;
There is NO new legislation in the U.S. which created this problem with
the
internet music stations (of which Redhotjazz may or may not be a part).
The
following article from the Los Angeles Times (see below) clarifies that
this
stems from a ruling by the Copyright Royalty Board which authorized fees
to
be collected.
The article also talks about a piece of legislation which would overturn
the
ruling by the Copyright Royalty Board. Here is that article:
"Internet radio stations to protest royalty hikes
They will replace music with silence today to fight royalty rate hikes.
By Jim Puzzanghera, Times Staff Writer
June 26, 2007
WASHINGTON - Across the Internet, the music will die today.
It's a protest staged by online radio stations to preview what they say
will
happen when substantially higher royalty rates kick in next month,
silencing
for good stations that can't afford them.
Thousands of webcasters will replace their music streams today with
periods
of silence and occasional messages about the dispute, urging people to
press
Congress to reverse the royalty rate and fee increase set by a federal
board. But despite growing support, Congress is unlikely to act before
July
15, when the new rates take effect.
That leaves Internet radio operators hoping that a federal court will
grant
an emergency stay, or that negotiations with SoundExchange, the
organization
that collects and distributes Internet music royalties, will lead to
lower
rates and fees.
"It's not a moneymaking venture; it's a labor of love," said Ted
Leibowitz,
39, a software engineer who runs BAGeL Radio from his San Francisco
apartment.
He pays about $1,000 a year to broadcast "indie rock" 24 hours a day,
sending out about 40,000 music streams a month through Live365.com, an
Internet radio service based in Foster City, Calif. The new royalty
rates
threaten to shut down Live365, and Leibowitz estimates that he would
have to
pay more than $100,000 a year in royalties and fees to keep his station
going.
"Even if I was a wealthy man," he said, "that would be a very expensive
hobby."
So BAGeL Radio is joining Yahoo Music, MTV Online, Rhapsody and other
sites
in the National Day of Silence led by SaveNetRadio, a coalition of large
and
small webcasters and artists opposing the royalty hike. Many of those
sites
will point their listeners to an hourlong forum on the issue being aired
continuously today by KCRW-FM (89.9) in Santa Monica, which may have to
cut
back its Internet music streaming if the rates take effect.
The webcasters are protesting a decision in March by the Copyright
Royalty
Board, an obscure group of federal judges. The current rate of 0.08 of a
cent per listener each time a song is played will more than double by
2010.
The board also set a $500-a-year administrative fee for each channel a
webcaster broadcasts, and removed an alternative rate structure for
small
sites that capped royalties at 10% to 12% of their revenue.
Many webcasters will have to pay a large lump sum July 15 because the
new
rates and fees are retroactive to the start of 2006, when the old rates
expired.
The ruling sparked outrage on the Internet, where about 72 million
listeners
a month tune in Internet music stations as an alternative to broadcast
and
satellite radio.
Despite the royalty ruling, SoundExchange can strike separate deals with
websites. John Simson, the organization's executive director, said
negotiations were continuing and dismissed fears of an Internet radio
apocalypse July 15.
"We're going to be very busy the next two weeks," he said.
The $500-a-channel fee is as controversial as the per-song royalty hike.
Live365, for example, has about 10,000 channels, many of which are run
by
hobbyists, who pay as little as $10 a month for the company to handle
their
technology needs and royalties.
Chief Executive N. Mark Lam estimates that Live365 will owe $7 million
on
July 15. The company made about $7,000 profit on $8.7 million in revenue
last year - its first annual profit since launching in 1999. He
predicted
the new rates would kill the company.
Yahoo Music and Pandora have a similar problem because they create
personalized music channels for thousands of listeners, all subject to
the
$500 fee. Ian Rogers, general manager of Yahoo Music, estimated the
company
would have to pay about $750 million in that fee alone.
Legislation has been introduced in the House and the Senate to roll back
the
royalty rate and fee increases. Although the House bill has 119
co-sponsors,
there's almost no chance that it can get through Congress before July
15.
Rep. Jay Inslee (D-Wash.), the lead sponsor of the House bill, said he
would
continue to push for passage after the deadline. "We're just not going
to
let this nascent industry die and we're not going to let people's
websites
go blank," he said."
Stan
Stan Brager
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Haesler" <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
To: <Dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Cc: <jazzgirl1920s at aol.com>; "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List"
<dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:09 AM
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Fwd: Redhotjazz archive in jeopardy of closing
downdue to new laws
> Dear friends,
> The following worrying email has come in from Linda, moderator of the
> Jelly Roll Morton list.
> It seems that the magnificent Red Hot Jazz Archive site is also under
> threat from the proposed legislation aimed at the 'little' US internet
> radio stations by big business and may be forced to close (after 11
> years) on 15 July 2007.
> It looks as though we 'outsiders' may be penalised after all.
> Kind regards,
> Bill. Who doesn't really understand it all.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: "Linda" <jazzgirl1920s at aol.com>
> > Date: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:11:29 AM Australia/Sydney
> > To: jellyrollmorton at yahoogroups.com
> >
> > I would like to direct readers to a post at Yahoo redhotjazz by the
> > owner of the redhotjazz archive, Scott Alexander. I have learned the
> > redhotjazz archive, which we all use to listen to our favorite early
> > jazz recordings, may have to close down due to a financial hardship
> > imposed by new laws concerning music copyrights and royalty
> > payments. We should do all we can to prevent this unfortunate
> > circumstance from happening.-Linda
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/RedHotJazz/message/4395
>
> Kind regards,
> Bill.
>
>
>
>
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:37:28 +0100
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Button people? Cor!
To: "jazz" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c7b643$4a12ab30$0c00a8c0 at Patpc>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
you have to say: "For'y fousan' fevvers on a frush".>>
Hi,
thats only part of it.
`Forty fahsand fevvers on a freckled frushes froat`. was a well known
Music
Hall song
Pat
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:26:41 +0100
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Benny Goodman
To: "jazz" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Message-ID: <006a01c7b7dc$7f5e67d0$0c00a8c0 at Patpc>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response
Hi All,
re the recent discussion about the Carnegie Hall Concert I thought you
may
be interested to know that my local theatre is advertising a recreation
of
the Benny Goodman Concert for the fall. No idea who the musicians are
but I
have booked my seat.
The theatre puts on `one off` programmes on Sunday nights which range
from
`one man` shows to poetry readings or some author being interviewed
about
his latest book. Sometimes there will be a front line entertainer `with
friends`. Meaning anyone local who is doing nothing else.
The week before the BG Concert they have the Humphrey Lyttleton Band. He
is
way off these days but can still tell a good story. The week before
that
The Pasadena Roof Orchestra is on the bill.
All this only 15 minutes from home.
Cheers
Pat
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:30:39 +1000
From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Button people? Cor!
To: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Message-ID: <946F39C8-25CF-11DC-B713-000A958B1370 at bigpond.net.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> `Forty fahsand fevvers on a freckled frushes froat` was a well known
> Music
> Hall song
Dear Pat,
Recorded by The Rhythmic Troubadours in London, Pomgolia for Regal on 1
Jan 1930 and backed by "Piccolo Pete".
Kind regards,
Bill.
------------------------------
Message: 12
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:54:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: Charlie Coleman <charliew8fim at verizon.net>
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Lead sheet to God Bless America incl Verse
To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
Cc: charliew8fim at verizon.net, Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
<dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Message-ID:
<18777651.866341183082084612.JavaMail.root at vms227.mailsrvcs.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hi Listees, I need a lead sheet to "God Bless America" for sunday AM
church service. Especially the seldom-played but highly relevant
verse. Thought I had it but my books just have the chorus.
Best wishes, Charlie Coleman
------------------------------
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