[Dixielandjazz] Cancellation terms?

Mon Jan 1 21:19:01 PST 2007

Shows how dumb the merchant was.  I would have let you have the stuff since 
he had at least a 50% markup and possibly more he would have gotten a very 
deep discount for your services and you would have ended up with a bunch of 
stuff you couldn't get rid of.
Larry
St. Louis.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tcashwigg at aol.com>
To: <nmboym at 012.net.il>
Cc: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Cancellation terms?


> Hummm:   Try reversing the situation on them,  go shopping and fill the
> baskets with everything you want and walk out and tell them you will
> pay them in 1 to 3 months and see what happens.
>
> I did that in Chicago a few years back with some arabic stores that had
> bought my products on credit, and did not pay for them as they promised
> and according to the terms of our agreement in writing no less.
>
> I flew back there from S.F. and walked into their stores and loaded up
> shopping carts with the most expensive products they had on the shelves
> until I got to what they owed me form their outstanding invoices. The
> owner was just standing at the cash register drooling while they
> watched me mounting up their biggest sale of the day.    I just pushed
> them out the front door as they yelled for Police,  One came very
> quickly, because I had contacted them ahead of time and told them what
> I was going to do :)) he was actually waiting right outside the store
> out of sight so as to just happen to be there when the merchant needed
> him. :))
>
> He of course took me and the cart back inside the store to ask me why I
> did not pay for it ?   I explained to him in front of the merchant that
> the merchant owed me exactly the same amount of money as was
> represented in the cart and since he did not pay for my merchandise I
> am under no obligation to pay him for his, after all like him I believe
> in American  Free Enterprise. :))
>
> Then I produced the signed invoices and agreements from the merchant
> for the Policeman to read,  whoops!   now the show was on the other
> foot, and the merchant did not even remember me from the year before
> when he had purchased all my product.   He quickly began to try and
> bargain for my new product by telling me he would pay for all the past
> due invoices with cash if I would give him a discount and sell him new
> stuff. :))
>
> Nice of him since he had sold it all and enjoyed the profits and my
> money for over a year.  He had the balls to ask for a discount on the
> new stuff if he paid the old bill,  I started for the door again with
> his shopping cart and told him no thanks. :))   The policeman was
> having a good laugh, too bad we did not have a video tape of the scene
> for a future comedy release.
>
> The merchant finally agreed to pay the bill in cash and pay cash for
> the new stuff which I had in the car, I sold it too him and we had a
> nice laugh and he agreed that he would pay cash up front form now on
> for my products.    I bought the Cop a Shish Ka Bob from the merchant
> for lunch :))
>
>
> The word spread thru the community quickly about what I had done and I
> suddenly had my money from every other shop keeper in town when I
> walked in the door.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nmboym at 012.net.il
> To: tcashwigg at aol.com
> Sent: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 1:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Cancellation terms?
>
>   Hello Tom,
>  Israel, though pretending to be a part of the developed world -
> hi-tec, Nobel prizes, excellent surgeons - is not, really. What Elazar
> describes is, unfortunately, the usual practice, especially late
> payment (last minute non-compensated cancellations less so).
> Cheers
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <tcashwigg at aol.com>
> To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 9:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Cancellation terms?
>
> >
> > Shalom Elazar:
> >
> > HAPPY AND MORE PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR TOO:))
> >
> > I use a One page agreement for most engagements because I generally
> > know who my clients are and how trustworthy they are.
> >
>  > I require a fifty percent deposit 10% to hold the date upon signing
> the
>  > contract and securing the date, 40% due thirty days in advance of
> the
> > engagement, and the balance upon arrival. If the engagement must be
> > cancelled it must be done a minimum of thirty days in advance of the
> > performance date, and will suffer a 10% FORFEITURE rebooking fee. I
> > will rebook under the same terms and conditions.
> >
> > If the event is cancelled within 29 days of the agreed upon date the
> > full 50% deposit is forfeited but may be applied to a rebooking at a
>  > future mutually agreeable date. Bear in mind however that this is
> for
>  > Legitimate emergency cancellations not just because they changed
> their
> > mind. Especially with any Government entity, they are the biggest
>  > flakes in the world, and I generally make them pay 100% up front and
> no
> > refunds for any reason.
> >
> > As for those folks who say they don't do business like that, simply
>  > don't do business with them, after all it is YOUR BUSINESS and you
> have
>  > the right to run YOur Business as you see fit and do what works to
> keep
>  > you profitable and in business. As for paying 1 to 3 months after
> the
> > gig, Hell not a chance I would go for that kind of deal, Mail them a
> > kazoo and tell 'em to entertain themselves. You are better off
> > Busking on the street and you certainly would get paid quicker. :))
> >
> > You have to find a way to teach them how to RESPECT you and your
>  > services or simply take what is thrown at you, personally I have
> never
>  > done that and never will, I simply look for better clients at a
> higher
> > level.
> >
>  > When playing out of town or country GET ALL THE MONEY AND EXPENSES
> UP
> > FRONT if possible but a minimum of 50% AND EXPENSES,
> > NO EXCEPTIONS. If they can't afford to do that then chances are
>  > pretty good they can't afford to pay you either if they don't
> promote
> > and organize the event properly either. Do not become an unwilling
> > partner, unless you are sharing in the profits as well. You are
>  > better off throwing your own engagement and keeping all the money.
> If
>  > they are not going to pay you and do business properly then why do
> you
> > need THEM ??
> >
> > Send QUIDO, TO TWIST THEIR ARM AND GET THE MONEY.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tom "SHOW ME THE MONEY" Wiggins
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: jazzmin at actcom.net.il
> > To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > Sent: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:44 AM
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Cancellation terms?
> >
> > Shalom Jazz Fans,
> >
> > While I am at it, I have another question to pose:
> >
> > How to handle the possibility of a last minute cancellation if a
> > contract or
> > a deposit are not possible?
> >
> > So far Doctor Jazz has not been stiffed by any of our private
> > customers. We
>  > are still working without contracts, and only in rare cases do we
> take
> > deposits or advance payments from them. The rank and file folks over
> > here
> > have a strong sense of right and wrong, and you can pretty much work
> > with a
> > person's word and handshake.
> >
> > However, we have been stiffed several times by the Jerusalem
> > Municipality, a
> > local shopping mall, and a religious college. Two times now the same
>  > customer, who is a repeat customer, hired us and cancelled us -- on
> one
>  > occasion, 3 times for the same gig! In both cases, the event
> actually
> > happened, but we were not in it.
> >
>  > In the case of the municipality, there is a confirmation document
> with
> > the
> > terms of the gig, not exactly a contract, but similar. So we have
> > decided to
> > start requiring contracts with a cancellation clause of corporate
> > customers.
>  > The first opportunity to test this came with our recent (wonderful)
> gig
> > in
>  > the Old City -- a series of 3 performances. We submitted our
> document
> > with
> > price quote and terms, including a cancellation clause, and the
> > confirmation
> > came back as submitted, but without the confirmation clause. When we
> > inquired about the deletion of the clause, we were told that "they
> > don't do
> > this".
> >
>  > The mall cancelled us 2 days before a show, after we had advertised
> and
>  > invited many people who it is impossible to uninvite them. No
> apology,
> > no
>  > cancellation fee, no offer to rebook at another date ... nothing.
> They
> > just
>  > decided not to have the show. I was livid, but my younger partner
> was
>  > handling the negotiations on that one, so I was not in the loop. I
> would
>  > have asked them what if we called them 2 days before the show and
> said
> > we've
> > decided not to come!?
> >
>  > In most cases, corporate clients tell us they don't do advance
> deposits
> > and
>  > cancellation clauses, and then all we can do is take or leave the
> job.
> > On
> > rare occasions a corporate customer has actually asked for a bill in
>  > advance, and either paid us in advance or had a check ready at the
> gig.
> > But
>  > the usual practice here is for payment to be made 1 to 3 months
> after
> > the
> > gig.
> >
> > Anyone have some experience or wisdom to offer on this one?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Elazar
> > Dr. Jazz Dixieland Band
> > Tekiya Trumpet Ensemble
> > Jerusalem, Israel
> > www.israel.net/ministry-of-jazz
> > +972-2-679-2537
> >
> >
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