[Dixielandjazz] Is it jazz?

[Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis]

Could it be that the players really don't like the Picou solo and/or want to 
make it their own?  Personally I don't care for the version I have and I 
most likely wouldn't care to play any version of it.  It's not jazz 
(improvisatory) as a player would know it but is Jazz on the listeners (in 
Jazz style) end.

No one is wrong but people talk past each other.  This is no problem until 
you get into some Jazz societies who hire musicians who on the one hand want 
to hear the Picou solo (or others) as they think it should be played which 
probably means reading it as vs. playing an improvised solo in that style 
without reading.  Some of them are very harsh in their criticisms when 
musicians have paper in front of them.

Is it possible that Picou didn't want to play it the same way each time and 
that's the reason why you heard 2 different Picou versions?  IMO this is 
what Jazz musicians do.

> THAT isn't jazz.  It's in the style of jazz, but not jazz in the
> improvisatory style.

That's what I was saying except that I used A and B to separate it.  You are 
just using different words.  This is why I said people talk past each other 
but you do have the essential idea that there is a division even though it's 
all called Jazz.  I also divided it according to if you were listening or 
playing which is I think an important difference that is often ignored.
Larry
StL
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "eupher dude" <eupher61 at hotmail.com>
To: "Larry Walton" <larrys.bands at charter.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Is it jazz?


>
> What Larry is meaning, but not really saying in the clearest wording, is
> this:
>
> The "standard" for "In The Mood" sax solos, what MUST be played, is copied
> from the original Miller recording.  60+ years ago now.  In many settings,
> the solo is actually notated, and the player is told to play the ink.
>
> THAT isn't jazz.  It's in the style of jazz, but not jazz in the
> improvisatory style.
>
> Same with the Picou solo on "High Society" to an extent.  But, there are 
> so
> many different versions of the "real" HS solo, no one really knows what
> Picou did originally.  A couple of months ago I embarked on a quest to 
> hear
> as many versions of it as I could.  Thanks to DJML and a few other 
> sources,
> I've heard about 9 different versions, not a one really similar, including
> at least 2 markedly versions by Picou.
>
> So, that's more in the jazz idiom, but probably not really it, in my
> estimation.  And I'm rarely wrong.  ;)
>
>
> steve "well, there's one" hoog
>
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