[Dixielandjazz] When is it not jazz?

[Larry Walton Entertainment - St. Louis]

I agree with you that free jazz is mostly a trick although I use other words 
like crap.  It's a lot like chords.  Some people like chords that sound good 
but by definition a chord is three or more notes and can't be the same note. 
So a chord could be C, C# and D.  It won't sound good but it is a chord.by 
definition.  (Are the chord cops going to come after me?) Virtually anything 
with or without rhythm can be Jazz.  Now will I like it? -- probably not. 
I too like swing and I just about can't tolerate some guy with a guitar and 
some type of distortion pedal screaming out his improv but then again I'm a 
dinosaur.  It's also like dance. There is interpretative dance where just 
about any movement is included and may be very improvisational whereas 
Ballet is exactly the opposite.  Which is better?

Jazz is in the eye of the Beholder.   I like Trad and it definitely doesn't 
swing.
Larry
St. Louis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cees van den Heuvel" <heu at bart.nl>
To: "Mike" <mike at railroadstjazzwest.com>; "Dixieland Jazz" 
<dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] When is it not jazz?


> My humble opinion. Free jazz is a trick. Complete chaos culminating
> in swing. "Oh yes, they can swing...." It's an effect, and it works.
> I.m.o., when they leave out the chaos, the swing remains. But
> mostly, in my experience, the swing is of low or mediocre quality.
> But it's considered art. Swing is entertainment....
> I know it's fighting windmills. Fighting the art police.
>
> I might be wrong, but I don't think so...:)
>
> Cees van den Heuvel
> http://www.revivaljassband.nl
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike" <mike at railroadstjazzwest.com>
> To: "Dixieland Jazz" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 1:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] When is it not jazz?
>
>
>> Ok, so then let me ask you this:
>>
>> Should free jazz be considered jazz?
>>
>> Free jazz often has the aforementioned ingredients but sometimes it only
>> has a few. Many times free jazz doesn't swing. Many times it does. Often
>> times it's sheets of sound with direction that's not immediately 
>> apparent.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> Cees van den Heuvel wrote:
>>> When it doesn'nt swing, there's no improvisation, there's
>>> no interactivity, there's no creation on the spot, it's no jazz.
>>> Beautiful
>>> sounds or even music, but no jazz.
>>>
>>> Recreations of written down jazz: no jazz, but sometimes
>>> beautiful music, but still no jazz.
>>>
>>> I.m.h.o,
>>>
>>> Cees van den Heuvel
>>> http://www.revivaljassband.nl
>>
>>
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