[Dixielandjazz] When is it not jazz?

Cees van den Heuvel heu at bart.nl
Thu Sep 21 16:29:25 PDT 2006

My humble opinion. Free jazz is a trick. Complete chaos culminating
in swing. "Oh yes, they can swing...." It's an effect, and it works.
I.m.o., when they leave out the chaos, the swing remains. But
mostly, in my experience, the swing is of low or mediocre quality.
But it's considered art. Swing is entertainment....
I know it's fighting windmills. Fighting the art police.

I might be wrong, but I don't think so...:)

Cees van den Heuvel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike" <mike at railroadstjazzwest.com>
To: "Dixieland Jazz" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] When is it not jazz?

> Ok, so then let me ask you this:
> Should free jazz be considered jazz?
> Free jazz often has the aforementioned ingredients but sometimes it only
> has a few. Many times free jazz doesn't swing. Many times it does. Often
> times it's sheets of sound with direction that's not immediately apparent.
> What do you think?
> Mike
> Cees van den Heuvel wrote:
>> When it doesn'nt swing, there's no improvisation, there's
>> no interactivity, there's no creation on the spot, it's no jazz. 
>> Beautiful
>> sounds or even music, but no jazz.
>> Recreations of written down jazz: no jazz, but sometimes
>> beautiful music, but still no jazz.
>> I.m.h.o,
>> Cees van den Heuvel
>> http://www.revivaljassband.nl
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