[Dixielandjazz] FW: MP3s or CDs or vinyl? + new transfer device.

Sun Nov 5 18:46:37 PST 2006

The only problem you may find is that the needle provided is not a 78 size
stylus.  78s need a 3 mil diameter stylus while the microgroove records use
something like a .7 mil tip.  That small a tip rattles around in a wide 78
groove.  If you can get a 78 stylus for the cartridge used in the unit,
you'll be OK.

Ron L
-----Original Message-----
From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
[mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig I.
Johnson
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:59 PM
To: Hal Vickery; dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] FW: MP3s or CDs or vinyl? + new transfer
device.

I'd been using my computer to go from tape or "vinyl" to CD, but
am about to try out the new Crosley ("Songwriter")device which includes
radio, + tape deck + 45/78/33.33 rpm turntable and a CD read/write
(recorder/player) which allows transfering tapes and all the above "records"
to CD.
Then if I want mp3s I'd use the computer for that.
The new gadget costs $499 (now $399.95)  I believe.
And looks like an old style wood cabinet (shelf size) radio.
http://www.homeaudiosuperstore.com/crosley-cr248pa.html

Craig Johnson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hal Vickery" <hvickery at svs.com>
To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:43 PM
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] FW: MP3s or CDs or vinyl?

> Brian,
>
> Obviously I'm less aware of what is going on in Europe than in the U.S.
> However, I'll submit to you that the market for IPods will be continue to
be
> millions of times larger than that for vinyl or tape.  In fact, if a radio
> personality in Chicago who is very much into technology is to be believed,
> audio tape is no longer being manufactured, at least in the U.S.  I won't
> swear it's true, but that's what he said.
>
> Before you send me those 78 needles, I'll have to find a turntable capable
> of playing them.  I haven't seen one of those since at least the '80s when
> my son managed to pick one up from a neighbor.
>
> Hal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brian at radiojazz.co.uk [mailto:brian at radiojazz.co.uk]
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 10:38 AM
> To: Hal Vickery
> Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] FW: MP3s or CDs or vinyl?
>
>
>
> Hal - with the greatest of respect you are somewhat out of date.
> Newly developed machines that will play CDs, Cassettes, LPs and 78s are
> being launched and marketed in Europe promoted by demand.
> LPs are being newly manufactured by record companies to satisfy growing
> demand.
> Needles to play 78s are readily available - how many do you need?
> The MP3 is transient - 78s, LPs and CDs are not. Neither is our music.
> I rest my case.
> Brian Harvey
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hal Vickery [mailto:hvickery at svs.com]
> Sent: 05 November 2006 12:53
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] FW: MP3s or CDs or vinyl?
>
>
> IMO this discussion is looking in the wrong direction as to the future of
> recording media.  How things were recorded will be determined by the
> marketplace, and that means it's going to be determined by the people
doing
> the buying, which is mainly people under the age of 30.  They've already
> voted, and the winner is mp3.
>
> I doubt if the CD will end up going the way of the cylinder or the 78 in
the
> near future, but the trend is definitely towards mp3, regardless of sound
> quality because that's how consumers want it.  They like the convenience
of
> being able to download from their home or work computer or their laptop.
>
> As for the LP, how many people under the age of 50 still play their old
LPs?
> How many places sell turntables?  How many places sell needles?  I have
yet
> to find the advantage to vinyl over digital for one simple reason:  the
> needle wears the record out.  A vinyl record never sounds as good again as
> its first playing.
>
> Posterity?  There may be one percent of the population that actually gives
a
> damn about prosperity.  (Okay, I may be exaggerating a bit.  It might be
as
> high as ten percent.)  To most music isn't art to be preserved.  It's
> entertainment to be discarded like yesterday's newspaper.
>
> I have a feeling that the only reason we see any commercial releases of
> classic jazz recordings is that the record companies must make at least a
> small profit from their release.  I recently took a look at Rhapsody.  It
> appears that nowadays the vast majority of pre-1940 recordings (now PD)
are
> being released by independent labels, not by the original copyright
holders.
> Those might be the current crop of preservationists, and they're putting
> them out as CDs and mp3 files.
>
> Hal Vickery
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
> [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Kashishian
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 6:11 AM
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] FW: MP3s or CDs or vinyl?
>
>
> MP3s are fine as samplers and for advertising but for jazz posterity
they're
> a big No - No.
> Brian Harvey
>
>
> ........and, I've been wondering, as I read all these emails on MP3, has
no
> one thought about quality?  MP3 is "squashed" audio, not near CD quality,
> and just at the time when the recording industry is working at more than
> double the sample rate of CD's...and, some are even going above that.  CD
=
> 44.1 Khz, but many are recording their music at 96 Khz, and some movies
are
> now being recorded at 192 Khz.
>
> Why do they record at higher rates when the music must be "brought down"
to
> 44.1 to go on the present CD?  Well, there are the DVD's which handle the
> higher rates, and others are just doing it to have it done at the higher
> rate (for posterity!).
>
> Which brings us back to Brian's remark above.
>
> Jim
>
>
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