[Dixielandjazz] FW: MP3s or CDs or vinyl? + new transfer device.

Mon Nov 6 06:41:10 PST 2006

At this point it is kinda nice that the turntable will do 78rpm. in case I
run
into some 78s at a yard sale or somewhere, but in my case, this unit will
be used primarily to transfer cassette tapes and 33 1/3s as I finally gave
up my 78s. Seems every time we moved some more got broken, so I
traded them for some 33 1/3 reissues I didn't have.
However, I shall look to see if it is possible to find a a proper 78 rpm
cartridge. Anyone have some ideas on that?

Craig
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at bu.edu>
To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] FW: MP3s or CDs or vinyl? + new transfer
device.

>
> The only problem you may find is that the needle provided is not a 78 size
> stylus.  78s need a 3 mil diameter stylus while the microgroove records
use
> something like a .7 mil tip.  That small a tip rattles around in a wide 78
> groove.  If you can get a 78 stylus for the cartridge used in the unit,
> you'll be OK.
>
> Ron L
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
> [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig I.
> Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:59 PM
> To: Hal Vickery; dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] FW: MP3s or CDs or vinyl? + new transfer
> device.
>
> I'd been using my computer to go from tape or "vinyl" to CD, but
> am about to try out the new Crosley ("Songwriter")device which includes
> radio, + tape deck + 45/78/33.33 rpm turntable and a CD read/write
> (recorder/player) which allows transfering tapes and all the above
"records"
> to CD.
> Then if I want mp3s I'd use the computer for that.
> The new gadget costs $499 (now $399.95)  I believe.
> And looks like an old style wood cabinet (shelf size) radio.
> http://www.homeaudiosuperstore.com/crosley-cr248pa.html
>
> Craig Johnson
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hal Vickery" <hvickery at svs.com>
> To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:43 PM
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] FW: MP3s or CDs or vinyl?
>
>
> > Brian,
> >
> > Obviously I'm less aware of what is going on in Europe than in the U.S.
> > However, I'll submit to you that the market for IPods will be continue
to
> be
> > millions of times larger than that for vinyl or tape.  In fact, if a
radio
> > personality in Chicago who is very much into technology is to be
believed,
> > audio tape is no longer being manufactured, at least in the U.S.  I
won't
> > swear it's true, but that's what he said.
> >
> > Before you send me those 78 needles, I'll have to find a turntable
capable
> > of playing them.  I haven't seen one of those since at least the '80s
when
> > my son managed to pick one up from a neighbor.
> >
> > Hal
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: brian at radiojazz.co.uk [mailto:brian at radiojazz.co.uk]
> > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 10:38 AM
> > To: Hal Vickery
> > Subject: RE: [Dixielandjazz] FW: MP3s or CDs or vinyl?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hal - with the greatest of respect you are somewhat out of date.
> > Newly developed machines that will play CDs, Cassettes, LPs and 78s are
> > being launched and marketed in Europe promoted by demand.
> > LPs are being newly manufactured by record companies to satisfy growing
> > demand.
> > Needles to play 78s are readily available - how many do you need?
> > The MP3 is transient - 78s, LPs and CDs are not. Neither is our music.
> > I rest my case.
> > Brian Harvey
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hal Vickery [mailto:hvickery at svs.com]
> > Sent: 05 November 2006 12:53
> > To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] FW: MP3s or CDs or vinyl?
> >
> >
> > IMO this discussion is looking in the wrong direction as to the future
of
> > recording media.  How things were recorded will be determined by the
> > marketplace, and that means it's going to be determined by the people
> doing
> > the buying, which is mainly people under the age of 30.  They've already
> > voted, and the winner is mp3.
> >
> > I doubt if the CD will end up going the way of the cylinder or the 78 in
> the
> > near future, but the trend is definitely towards mp3, regardless of
sound
> > quality because that's how consumers want it.  They like the convenience
> of
> > being able to download from their home or work computer or their laptop.
> >
> > As for the LP, how many people under the age of 50 still play their old
> LPs?
> > How many places sell turntables?  How many places sell needles?  I have
> yet
> > to find the advantage to vinyl over digital for one simple reason:  the
> > needle wears the record out.  A vinyl record never sounds as good again
as
> > its first playing.
> >
> > Posterity?  There may be one percent of the population that actually
gives
> a
> > damn about prosperity.  (Okay, I may be exaggerating a bit.  It might be
> as
> > high as ten percent.)  To most music isn't art to be preserved.  It's
> > entertainment to be discarded like yesterday's newspaper.
> >
> > I have a feeling that the only reason we see any commercial releases of
> > classic jazz recordings is that the record companies must make at least
a
> > small profit from their release.  I recently took a look at Rhapsody.
It
> > appears that nowadays the vast majority of pre-1940 recordings (now PD)
> are
> > being released by independent labels, not by the original copyright
> holders.
> > Those might be the current crop of preservationists, and they're putting
> > them out as CDs and mp3 files.
> >
> > Hal Vickery
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
> > [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Kashishian
> > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 6:11 AM
> > To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> > Subject: [Dixielandjazz] FW: MP3s or CDs or vinyl?
> >
> >
> > MP3s are fine as samplers and for advertising but for jazz posterity
> they're
> > a big No - No.
> > Brian Harvey
> >
> >
> > ........and, I've been wondering, as I read all these emails on MP3, has
> no
> > one thought about quality?  MP3 is "squashed" audio, not near CD
quality,
> > and just at the time when the recording industry is working at more than
> > double the sample rate of CD's...and, some are even going above that.
CD
> =
> > 44.1 Khz, but many are recording their music at 96 Khz, and some movies
> are
> > now being recorded at 192 Khz.
> >
> > Why do they record at higher rates when the music must be "brought down"
> to
> > 44.1 to go on the present CD?  Well, there are the DVD's which handle
the
> > higher rates, and others are just doing it to have it done at the higher
> > rate (for posterity!).
> >
> > Which brings us back to Brian's remark above.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
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