[Dixielandjazz] Schwoody Schmaallem

Thu Dec 21 09:35:07 PST 2006

Tom said:
Funny thing but everybody on this list has heard of Wood Allen but you
can bet there are lots of folks on hear who never heard of any of the
ret of us, good bad or indifferent.

OK Lets say someone who has never heard OKOM goes to Woody's concert and 
found him to be totally inadequate and the music not well done.  They went 
there for whatever reason, celebrity, curiosity or someone bought them the 
ticket.  Would that person then hire or pay to see anyone else who is 
playing the same type of music or would they be turned off on it?

There are many kinds of fish but the Carp muddies the water so much that 
other fish can't live there.
Larry
St. Louis
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tcashwigg at aol.com>
To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Schwoody Schmaallem

> Let me try and interject a bit of sense in to this mess folks:  I have
> witnessed Woody Live "Once"  enough said, and that of course is simply
> my personal opinion, and no I won't buy a ticket to see him in Sonoma,
> nor would I buy one to see him in Lafayette across the street from my
> house.   I would have a jam session and hear better music as far as I
> personally would be concerned.   Would I play on a show with him, or do
> I consider my show too superior to his ?  Yes, and Yes , why because he
> will draw a different audience than I can and I would be happy to put
> on a show to kick his ass musically and gain some new fans of his for
> my show.   Then of course I could Market my show touting that we had
> also played with Woody Allen who some folks consider to be an OKOM
> Star.   There are folks out there who are impressed with such trivia
> and will pay better according to who you have played with.   Learn how
> to market that and you too can make better money.
>
> Woody Allen is being booked on major events and in major venues because
> he is a Celebrity and has proven Box office ticket sales, plain and
> simple, and the promoters who book him could care less what the Hell he
> sounds like or looks like.  He attracts people who pay to SEE him up
> close and personal.   If he gets one note out of a hundred correct
> nobody is counting except the CPA in the ticket booth and he will be
> long gone with the money before Woody hits his second song so there
> will be NO REFUNDS.
>
> Funny thing but everybody on this list has heard of Wood Allen but you
> can bet there are lots of folks on hear who never heard of any of the
> ret of us, good bad or indifferent.   Brings it all back to the most
> important element in all of it guys:  MARKETING.
>
> So you have some talent, some of us very good, some of us pretty good,
> and some Suck big time, but NOBODY knows and nobody really cares unless
> you get out and market it and get real exposure to mass audiences.   If
> more of the better players who we always tout as our heros on this list
> did that THEY would be working on those festivals and bigger higher
> paid venues like Woody What's His Name.
>
> To often musos like to sit back and blame their lack of real monetary
> and popularity success on all those around them and at lesser skilled
> players who do the marketing  correctly and treat this business like a
> Business, and therefore reap the benefits.
>
> I simply say this If all ya'll can do that Get off your duffs and GO Do
> It, if not don't begrudge those who do, trust me they are laughing all
> the way to the bank while some of ya'll chose to be starving Artiste'.
>  I learned a long time ago that you get out of this life what you put
> into it.   we only get to go thru it once, but once is enough if you do
> it correctly.  :))
>
> There are definite economical reasons why so many Rock acts and Blues
> acts are playing on Jazz Festivals, like it or not !
>
>
> THEY SELL TICKETS, Why Because People Like them and will pay to SEE and
> Hear them Entertain. Nobody owes any of us a living just because we
> have a little or a lot of talent.   Having a Great talent is worthless
> if you don't know how to use it other than for your own selfish
> amusement.   Why do you suppose there is SOOOOOOO much undiscovered
> Talent out there in the big Old World ???
>
>
> Musical content:   "This little Light of mine I'm gonna let it shine"
>
> If it burns out , change the damned batteries and turn it on again :))
>
> Do I like Woody Schmoody ? or Kenny G ?  nope but they did it their
> way, and it obviously worked a lot better than how most on this great
> list  choose do it.   You make your bed you lie in it, lumps and all.
> Do it like Frank Sinatra did it HIS WAY,  but for crying out loud  Just
> more of you Get off your Butts and GO DO IT.    That's how you educate
> the public and spread the music.   We all know that of course just so
> few of us will make the real effort needed to go out and DO IT.
>
> If every band leader on this list would do that we would not be sitting
> around here on this list bitchin' about no decent work and no audience
> for OKOM.  There are audiences all over the world for it, but they are
> NOT GOING TO TRAVEL TO BUM SCREW Retirement community to find it.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom Wiggins
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sharp-b at clearwire.net
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Sent: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 7:40 PM
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Schwoody Schmaallem
>
>   Woody, Schmoody - - why in the world are we spending so much time on
> one guy who's playing one little concert in Sonoma?  If we really
> wanted to support OKOM, we on the West coast would be spreading the
> news about where guys like Bob Schulz, Clint Baker, et. al., ad
> infinitum and all the other great players with very good tone are
> performing, at probably very reduced prices, compared to an Allen
> performance. Thank God talk is cheap, (including mine) because if we
> had to actually put this stuff in ink, no editor would allow such
> repetitive ramblings.  Do you like the tone of this article? I can
> hardly wait for the 200 responses after he actually performs, and we
> can continue squeaking and squawking about whether W. Alllen actually
> squeaked or squawked.   In this, my personal ramblings, am I squeaking,
> or squawking?
>
>
>
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