[Dixielandjazz] Putting Down???????

[Steve Barbone]

Hi Bob:

I respectfully disagree with your opinion.

There is an old saying in Law, "Res Ipsa Loquitur" which means "The Thing
Speaks For Itself, or in this case, my words speak for themselves.

First of all there is no mention of DJML in my post

Second, there is no mention of any specific band in my post.

Thirdly, there is absolutely no negativity in my post. I did not say
Dixieland today was bad.

Yet, you accuse me of a negative post, running down members of the DJML who
play Dixieland and putting down Dixieland. Whoa, where did that come from?

I really don't get your reasoning processes.

Let me try once more to help you understand.

First of all I love Limericks as an art form and I love their humor.
Especially gaseous musical Limericks.

Second:  I rank their art and humor ahead of most Dixieland played today.

Third: I therefore think those particular Limericks were better. That does
not mean Dixieland played today sucks. Or that people on the DJML suck or
anything remotely resembling that. What it means is simply; I like those
Limericks better than Most Dixieland played today.

There is nothing for me to own up to, other than the fact that if you really
believe what you write, about what you think I said, then you need to
re-read it, in original form, (not snips) until you comprehend what I wrote.

Regarding shifting the blame? What? I am neither blaming anyone nor shifting
anything. I am merely stating what I did in plain spoken English. That you
may not like it, is your problem, not mine.

Clouding the issue? I am merely trying to get you to understand what "most"
means. Since I used the term "Most Dixieland, and you now agree that folks
on the DJML are not those who play "Most Dixieland", how then can you accuse
me of putting down DJMLers? The issue in the post was not the DJML, and not
the musicians on the DJML, and not Dixieland. It was the art and humor of
Limericks. Why do you seek to change it?

Funny that over the past year or so, every once and a while, you have come
at me personally with the "reasoning" you are exhibiting here. Accusing me
of things I did not do and/or did not say. It seems to me that you don't
know how to read what I write with any degree of comprehension. My words
speak for themselves. If you, or anyone else has a problem understanding the
written word, feel free to contact me off list and I'd be happy to help you
and/or point you to a good reading/comprehension course. On the other hand,
if you attack me, I'll reply in kind.

However, I still love you.

Cheers,
Steve Barbone


on 8/9/06 7:13 PM, Robert S. Ringwald at robert at ringwald.com wrote:

> A couple comments:
> 
> You say:
> 
> (snip)
>>> There is more art and humor in the
>>> following musical poem, than in most Dixieland played these days. :-)
> (snip)
> 
> Then you say:
> 
> (snip)
> There is no put down of
>> musicians on the list, or the music as I see it.
> (snip)
> 
> I'm trying to figure that one out.  Are you sure you are not a politician?
> 
> Then you try to shift the blame by saying:
> 
> (snip)
> The real put down was done by those whose words prompted my post. Namely
>> hat the thread was neither funny, nor adult. And that those who were
>> enjoying it were neither adult, nor humorous
>> (snip)
> 
> Regardless of why you made the comment, you still put down the music by
> saying, "most Dixieland played these days."
> 
> Then you say:
> 
> (snip)
> Just what makes us DJMLers think that we play "most" of the Dixieland in
> the
>> world? In total, we play very little of it by compared to those players
>> who
> those players who
>> are not on the list.
> (snip)
> 
> So what.  Don't cloud the issue.
> 
> You made a negative comment about Dixieland played today.  Since most of the
> musicians on DjML play Dixieland, you then were being unnecessarily negative
> about the music we play.
> 
> You made the comment.  Own up to it.  Don't try to wiggle out of the
> meaning.
> 
> And, you said:
> 
> (snip)
> Just what makes us DJMLers think that we play "most" of the Dixieland in the
>> world?
> (snip)
> 
> I don't know where you got that idea.  I certainly don't think that any of
> us think that.  With close to 600 members, not all being musicians, it is a
> silly comment.
> 
> Thanks for your answer, even if it was not really an answer.
> 
> VBG, as you say.
> 
> --bob Ringwald
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Barbone" <barbonestreet at earthlink.net>
> To: <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:33 PM
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Putting Down???????
> 
> 
>> "Robert S. Ringwald" <robert at ringwald.com>
>> 
>>> 
>>> Steve, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> (snip)
>>> There is more art and humor in the
>>> following musical poem, than in most Dixieland played these days. :-)
>>> (snip)
>>> 
>>> Steve, I sit here wondering why you make such negative statements about
>>> the
>>> music we love and are all playing these days?
>>> 
>>> It is my opinion that you could have quoted the poem without putting down
>>> the music we play & thereby putting down the musicians (us on the list)
>>> who
>>> are playing it.
>> 
>> Well, since you asked.:-) VBG
>> 
>> Putting down is in the eye or ear of the beholder. There is no put down of
>> musicians on the list, or the music as I see it. Just a comparison.
>> 
>> The real put down was done by those whose words prompted my post. Namely
>> that the thread was neither funny, nor adult. And that those who were
>> enjoying it were neither adult, nor humorous
>> 
>> Who makes those folks the authority on either? And so the put down was
>> meant
>> for those who have no sense of humor, and/or have hang ups about all those
>> things we poor humans do that involve bodily functions.
>> 
>> The music? I did not put it down, I merely stated that the poems were more
>> artistic and humorous than "most" of the Dixieland played these days.
>> 
>> Seems to me that those musicians on the DJML who play great Dixieland
>> would
>> consider themselves not included in the "most", and therefore not put
>> down.
>> Same for the music.
>> 
>> Just what makes us DJMLers think that we play "most" of the Dixieland in
>> the
>> world? In total, we play very little of it by compared to those players
>> who
>> are not on the list.
>> 
>> Reminds me of a song: "You're So Vain, You Probably Think This Song Is
>> About
>> You." Well, it isn't.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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