[Dixielandjazz] Young people and copying CD's

[tcashwigg at aol.com]

We are all forgetting one very important thing in this thread that will 
shed some light on the subject:

Teenagers are almost always defiant and Hell bent upon breaking any 
Rules imposed upon them by Adults who usually did the same thing if not 
worse.   Yet we insist upon playing the Don't do as do (did) do as I 
Say game.    Just like most of our parents did to us.   We all have a 
bit of larceny in us, and Most musicians I have ever met have acquired 
their music collections from less than Retail sources.  :))   i.e  
complimentary copies from each other, exchanges etc.  copies of tapes 
for "Rehearsal purposes", borrowed to learn the song from etc.

Any one on this list who is not guilty of any of the above is of course 
free to throw the first stone.

Personally I am with Trammy, and see no reason not to copy an out of 
print non available recording of anything of historical importance to 
use it to expand and or educate new audiences to the music and or the 
artists who originally recorded it and who has more than likely been 
long forgotten ( if ever even known)  which is pretty much the case 
with so many OKOM artists that we often dig up and speak fondly of on 
this great list.

There is a time and a place for Everything,  and copying of previous 
recordings is no exception, I personally have a basement full of 
recordings buy many artists that I have never heard of and did not 
solicit the free copies that they sent begging me to just listen to 
them.   Some I have and many I have not, saving them for my retirement 
:))  When hopefully I will have time to listen to them.

This industry is sooooo much bigger than most on the DJML list can even 
imagine having been living in a shrinking sheltered genre of music for 
so long.   As I said before in a previous post, We (ANY ONE OF US) 
should be so lucky as to have one or more of our songs ripped off and 
downloaded all over the World, if and when it does I hope that artists 
will contact me, because then I will be interested in being their 
International Manager and Agent.  :))

Cheers,

Tom Wiggins


-----Original Message-----
From: Craig I. Johnson <civanj at adelphia.net>
To: mike at railroadstjazzwest.com
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:08:42 -0500
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Young people and copying CD's

   You are missing some major points Mike,
DVD, CD and tape recorders exist because there are other reasons for
their use than copying legit discs. One is to make tapes and discs
originally using the computer as the recording device or "sound board".
Another is to copy perfectly legally these and other legally copyable 
discs.
OR computer disks, which are standard adjunct to a computer these days
and which need to be copied as back up etc. They get used to store
far far more than music, programs, data, backup info, photos and on and 
on.
They are the portable way to transport large volumes of the above.
Both the music and the computer data are nowadays stored in digital
form. There is essentially no difference between them.

Even if the only use for cd recorders were music, which it is not,
should I be prevented from buying a cd maker to record my own band?
AND         If I'm allowed, but not someone else, how do you police who 
gets the
cd makers?
The govt. has to do this, for it to work. What else would you like them
to police, prevent, control?

To paraphrase an NRA slogan. Autos don't kill people, drivers  kill 
people.
                  (Admittedly there are exceptions that usually result 
in a
recall.)
--- Similarly, recorders don't pirate, recorder owners pirate.
In fact, eliminate all CD and DVD burners and I can still copy the disc
onto something "replayable", and if you can't buy it I can build it, so 
its a
useless fight.
*E.g. I could connect a VCR to my CD player and record it on VHS tape 
-- audio
at least,
if not digital.)\

As I said in my other note, tho' give me the ability to select tracks 
at will on
the internet at 99 cents and I probably won't go to the trouble of any 
of the
above.
The way to defeat technological piracy is by pricing it right and 
making the
"legal" way too convenient to ignore.
  (Take that as the truth from a technological pirate.) Don't sweat the 
few
who cheat because the challenge is fun. They're far fewer in number, 
can't be
defeated and
have p--- poor taste in music anyway.

Craig Johnson
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