[Dixielandjazz] Young people and copying CD's

Sun Nov 13 14:18:56 PST 2005

What to do about copying OKOM cd's?
Nothing! Copying means there is interest!
We sell our CD's mostly on gigs,often autographed, as a
kind of souvenir of a good concert.  The sales at record shops are
marginal in revenues, because the record companies take the major
piece of the cake.
E.g. the sale of 1000 copy's at gigs  can generate a profit of
about 5000 euro's, while with the sales of a hit record
(in Holland that's about 50.000) I earned about 500
euro's. Go figure...
The only way to diminish bootleg copy's is, i.m.o, to
cut the prices of the CD's to a decent level and,
that's important, give the official CD something extra:
booklet with extra photo's and information. Especially
"older" buyers like that; they want to read while listnening.

My two eurocents,

Cees van den Heuvel
http://www.revivaljassband.nl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tcashwigg at aol.com>
To: <Vaxtrpts at aol.com>; <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Young people and copying CD's

> Hi Mike:
>
>
> No I did not forget, but it is highly doubtful that they are copying ours, 
> since  most of them never heard of any of us and or our music, I welcome 
> them copying mine, I can use all the publicity I can get.   The studies on 
> this issue are reflecting that yes there is some widespread copying being 
> done and song sharing, but the same thing is done weekly on this list by 
> esteemed friends with sheet music, out of print recordings, and maybe even 
> fake books.   If more OKOM AND JAZZ ACTS WOUILD ACTUALLY PROMOTE THIER 
> MUSIC it could become a problem,  Again We should all be so lucky.   Just 
> think there might even be more LIVE Music gigs available as a result of a 
> new generation discovering our music.
>
> What I was referring to was the power of the internet available  to ALL of 
> us to allow us to use it to make money and promote ourselves directly to 
> consumers at the retail level to sell product without having all the money 
> siphoned off by major labels, distributors and sharks that have controlled 
> the music industry for so many years.
>
> I find it very interesting to get reports of how many sales some artists 
> have made independently of their recordings far far in excess to the 
> numbers ever provided to them by their Major labels much less royalties 
> that evaporated into thin air to pay off so called expenses of the record 
> label.
>
> There are some very excellent ways to market your CDs on the internet that 
> result in your getting paid, but like anything else you have to be 
> diligent and research the sites and check them out for honesty and 
> integrity the same as you should check out any So called Record 
> Distributor for the retail store.   If the Internet system were as bad as 
> the Majors and RIAA would have the public believe then they would have 
> already been out of business, instead they are still selling millions of 
> units and have actually been joining the download game since they 
> discovered what a great promotional tool it can be.
>
> Earlier this year I consulted on a project with an artist & his manager, 
> that had a couple of hit songs and he was chased by a Major Jazz label for 
> a contract, which I advised them not to sign as it contained a clause that 
> said he was to turn over 10,000 CDs that he still had of his latest 
> release with the hits on it to them to be used as "Promotional copies 
> ONLY" they would manufacture new ones for distribution with their label 
> information on them for the retail outlets.    Well long story short, 
> since he was lazy and no longer wanted to pursue selling his own 
> merchandise at retail prices and making more money than he had ever made 
> on any previous recordings, he signed the contract and turned over all the 
> CDs to them.    They distributed them to the retail outlets and SOLD all 
> of them and never manufactured any additional CDs of his product, and then 
> cancelled his contract with an out clause concerning label cutbacks. :)) 
> By the way they had rejected his offer to sign with them when he first 
> made the CD.  :))
>
> This artist was consistently selling about $2,000. worth of product by 
> himself at concerts for cash at the time, and had not even yet begun to 
> tap into the Internet system available to sell them.   He now has no 
> manager, and no label, and no product, no booking agent, and not many gigs 
> AGAIN.   He also owed his last manager a lot of money which he will never 
> see.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom Wiggins
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vaxtrpts at aol.com
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> Sent: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:14:44 EST
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Young people and copying CD's
>
>
> You  think the major labels are not shaking in their boots these days,
> think  again,  they can file all the lawsuits they want but they can't
> beat  the people with the computers Hell bent on kicking their greedy
> asses at  every given opportunity.  :))..............................Tom
> Wiggins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Ah Tom, but you forget one thing.  The SAME kids who are smart enough  to 
> get
> by the protections from the major labels are copying OUR CD's (if they 
> even
> listen to any of our music) and robbing from us.  They have no  scruples. 
> It
> has nothing to do with getting even with the major labels and  everything 
> to
> do with then just figuring that they can steal from anybody.
> Mike Vax
>
>
>
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