[Dixielandjazz] Re: Military bands and OKOM

David Richoux tubaman at tubatoast.com
Thu Jun 30 08:32:02 PDT 2005

Hi all,

Schafer's book is referenced in "The Music Men - An Illustrated History 
of Brass Bands in America" by Margaret & Robert Hazen, published by the 
Smithsonian Institution 1987.
> American brass bands played a pivotal role in the development of jazz. 
> According to one researcher, [Schafer] the brass bands of New Orleans 
> gave jazz its instrumentation, and also lent musical techniques and 
> repertoire to this uniquely American musical idiom. As a 1917 
> advertising poster succinctly put it, a jazz band was simply a "brass 
> band gone crazy"

This book also mentions the formation of military jazz bands (usually 
sub-sets of larger marching/concert bands) in the 1920s to satisfy 
public demand for jazzier, danceable music. Lots of great pictures, 

Dave Richoux

On Jun 29, 2005, at 6:47 PM, glen page wrote:

> HIi all,
> Bill's bibliography omitted "Brass Bands and New Orleans Jazz " by 
> William
> Schafer.
> Chapter 1 in that book talks about "Turkish music'" in the late 18th
> century.It goes on to talk about the post Civil War period and much 
> more.
> I cannot read all of this again now but suffice it to say that the
> aforementioned book, published by Louisiana State University Press
> in1977,contains a wealth of information on the subject under 
> discussion.
> Cheers,
> Glen.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Haesler" <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "David Richoux" <tubaman at tubatoast.com>; "dixieland jazz mail list"
> <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>; "Luis Daniel Flores" 
> <luda at arnet.com.ar>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:10 PM
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Re: Military bands and OKOM
>> "Big Band Jazz, according to one historian, had its start in New 
>> Orleans
> in
>> 1898 at the end of the Spanish-American war. Military bands returned 
>> to
> the
>> port to decommission, flooding the city with used band instruments. 
>> And
>> African-Americans interested in music quickly bought up hundreds of 
>> these
>> instruments and quickly began to form bands. Starting from square one,
>> aspiring African-American musicians taught themselves to play."
>> Bob Thomas (1994). From "Music of London" web site.
>> Dear Luis and Dave,
>> An intriguing topic, touched on frequently by jazz historians but not 
>> yet,
>> to my knowledge, the subject of a dedicated book.
>> Dr Fred Spencer, Dan Hardie, Charlie Suhor - any information?
>> Jazz history books, from Frederic Ramsay, Jr and Charles Edward 
>> Smith's
>> "Jazzmen"  (1939), Rudi Blesh's "Shining Trumpets" (1946) through to
> Richard
>> Knowles' "Fallen Heroes (1996) and Daniel Hardie's "The Loudest 
>> Trumpet"
>> (2000), touch on the subject.
>> However, the historical connection between military bands, brass 
>> bands and
>> jazz (from its beginnings to the present) requires a book, rather 
>> than an
>> essay, based on extensive new and original research.
>> Probably best left to a non jazz-influenced researcher.
>> An ideal thesis for a PhD.
>> Kind regards,
>> Bill.
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