[Dixielandjazz] Re: Ride cymbals (and Krupa)

[Stan Brager]

That Red Nichols 78 of "China Boy" has been transferred to CD by Decca and
is the 6th cut of their CD "B.G & Big Tea in NYC" (catalog GRD-609).

Stan
Stan Brager
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Orr" <torr at alphalink.com.au>
To: "dixieland jazz mail list" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:01 AM
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Re: Ride cymbals (and Krupa)


> Bill
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> I will try to locate the 78 ASAP and post details, even send you an MP3.
> I am sure it is not a rarity and has some big names in the session.
> Unfortunately, my records are NOT organised so, it means foraging
> through all those boxes under the bed. Please give me a day or two.
>
> cheers
>
> Tony Orr
>
> Bill Haesler wrote:
> > Friends: Most of you may wish to delete now, as this is about real old
> > stuff.
> > 8>)
> > Dear Tony,
> > Regarding your comment that> The clip of the recording of Krupa at
> > http://www.traditional-jazz.com/pge_krup.htm is quite different to the
Red
> > Nicholls and His Five Pennies 78 I have where Krupa switched from
> >
> >>2/4 to 4/4 in one chorus which brings the whole thing to the boil.<
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> > This has me intrigued.
> > The clip on the Krupa article link, provided by John Petters, is from
the
> > Red Nichols and His Five Pennies Brunswick record date of 2 July 1930
with
> > soloists big Tea, BG and Joe Sullivan in the 12 piece big band.
> > This is the only version of "China Boy" (E-33306-A) recorded under
Nichols'
> > name that I can recall. And there are no alternate masters of it that I
know
> > of. You probably have it on an English Brunswick 78.
> > Did you, perhaps, click on page 1 of the Krupa article (written,
> > incidentally, by a modest Mr Petters) and get the clip of the
> > McKenzie-Condon "China Boy"?
> > In the article John says: "With the same band we hear, what is believed
to
> > be the first example of open ride cymbal, played behind Nichols' solo on
> > "China Boy". The open ring of the cymbal can be clearly heard on this
clip.
> > Listen for the rim shot just before the end of the solo - another GK
trade
> > mark that was to be put in practice with the Goodman band a few years
> > later."
> > Mmmmmmmmm.
> > I have had this beautiful record for many years (a favourite) and have
just
> > played it again (several times - the LP and CD) listening for the 'ride'
> > cymbal behind Nichols' solo. The rim shot (or is it a smack on the
snare?)
> > is there but I can only 'feel', but really can't hear, the ride cymbal.
> > Are we talking about the same record?
> > Esoteric stuff indeed.
> > Very kind regards,
> > Bill.
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