[Dixielandjazz] Re: Ride cymbals (and Krupa)

[john petters]

Bill said
>Mmmmmmmmm. I have had this beautiful record for many years (a favourite)
and have just played it again (several times - the LP and CD) listening for
the 'ride' cymbal behind Nichols' solo. The rim shot (or is it a smack on
the snare?) is there but I can only 'feel', but really can't hear, the ride
cymbal. Are we talking about the same record? Esoteric stuff indeed. Very
>kind regards, Bill.

I don't know what equipment you are listening on Bill, but I have just
downloaded the clip again to confirm what I wrote in the Krupa article.
Whilst the recording is not great, the ride cymbal is there, i.e. it is not
a choked cymbal, and it is a rim shot. Listen carefully at the end of the
Nichols chorus to when BG takes over and Gene reverts to the snare drum.
There is an entirely different sound. Which leads me to pose the question
regarding the drummer/s on the  Hoagy Carmichael sessions from 1930.Krupa is
the drummer on Rockin' Chair, but the personnel listing on the recent JSP
box set of Hoagy's lists Chauncey Morehouse on Georgia, One Night in Havana
and Bessie Couldn't Help it. But it does not sound like Morehouse to me, and
Bessie Couldn't Help it has the same ride cymbal and rim shots behind Bud
Freeman's sax as on the Nichols China Boy. My money is on Krupa without a
doubt.

John Petters
Amateur Radio Station G3YPZ
www.traditional-jazz.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com
[mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill Haesler
Sent: 09 September 2004 10:47
To: Tony Orr; dixieland jazz mail list; John Petters
Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Re: Ride cymbals (and Krupa)

Friends: Most of you may wish to delete now, as this is about real old
stuff.
8>)
Dear Tony,
Regarding your comment that> The clip of the recording of Krupa at
http://www.traditional-jazz.com/pge_krup.htm is quite different to the Red
Nicholls and His Five Pennies 78 I have where Krupa switched from
> 2/4 to 4/4 in one chorus which brings the whole thing to the boil.<
This has me intrigued.
The clip on the Krupa article link, provided by John Petters, is from the
Red Nichols and His Five Pennies Brunswick record date of 2 July 1930 with
soloists big Tea, BG and Joe Sullivan in the 12 piece big band.
This is the only version of "China Boy" (E-33306-A) recorded under Nichols'
name that I can recall. And there are no alternate masters of it that I know
of. You probably have it on an English Brunswick 78.
Did you, perhaps, click on page 1 of the Krupa article (written,
incidentally, by a modest Mr Petters) and get the clip of the
McKenzie-Condon "China Boy"?
In the article John says: "With the same band we hear, what is believed to
be the first example of open ride cymbal, played behind Nichols' solo on
"China Boy". The open ring of the cymbal can be clearly heard on this clip.
Listen for the rim shot just before the end of the solo - another GK trade
mark that was to be put in practice with the Goodman band a few years
later."
Mmmmmmmmm.
I have had this beautiful record for many years (a favourite) and have just
played it again (several times - the LP and CD) listening for the 'ride'
cymbal behind Nichols' solo. The rim shot (or is it a smack on the snare?)
is there but I can only 'feel', but really can't hear, the ride cymbal.
Are we talking about the same record?
Esoteric stuff indeed.
Very kind regards,
Bill.


    


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