[Dixielandjazz] 'Shine' the slang meaning

[David Richoux]

Sorry, I thought I moved the DJML address to first position - I usually 
do.

It has been my experience that many OKOM fans are not much interested 
in the lyrics or history of  songs - that is probably not a sign of 
prejudice but more of not caring or not listening. Sometimes it is that 
they just want to dance, sometimes it is that they want to ignore the 
"nasty bits" of songs about sex, drugs or racial injustice.

Dave Richoux


On Nov 2, 2004, at 6:54 PM, Arnold Day wrote:

> It gets difficult to reply when you CC the list instead of addressing 
> it. I have one comment on the following: "Certainly part of our jazz 
> history that most OKOM fans hesitate to acknowledge!"  Why would you 
> think that? Are OKOM fans somehow more predjudiced than the general 
> population?. On the contrary, it seems to me that white jazz musicians 
> have been amongst those at the forefront of fighting racism in this 
> country, even dating back to the 1920s.
> Arn
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: tubaman at batnet.com
>   To: Steve barbone
>   Cc: DJML
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 5:16 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] 'Shine' the slang meaning
>
>
>> For those who are still unsure about "Shine" and "Pipe The Shine".
>>
>> "Shine" is/was a derogatory term for "Nigger" which is/was a 
>> derogatory
>> term
>> for Black people.
>>
>> It was still in use in the 1940s, 50s and 60s in parts of, if not all 
>> of
>> the
>> USA. Probably still is in use today.
>>
>> "Pipe the shine" meant to beat the "shine" with a lead pipe, or 
>> blackjack
>> which had their own slang terms as being a "nigger knocker".
>
>   Unfortunately, I guess I stand corrected - several confirming links 
> from
>   this direction that did not show up when I searched "Pipe the Shine" 
> - but
>   I now see this connection...
>
>   http://www.ferris.edu/news/jimcrow/caricature/
>   http://sherlock.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/CSMPSearch2.tcl?CSMP@docid+1424
>
>   and many others that were much nastier and hateful. Certainly part 
> of our
>   jazz history that most OKOM fans hesitate to acknowledge!
>
>   Dave Richoux
>
>
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