[Dixielandjazz] 'Shine' the slang meaning

Arnold Day arnieday at optonline.net
Tue Nov 2 18:54:10 PST 2004

It gets difficult to reply when you CC the list instead of addressing it. I have one comment on the following: "Certainly part of our jazz history that most OKOM fans hesitate to acknowledge!"  Why would you think that? Are OKOM fans somehow more predjudiced than the general population?. On the contrary, it seems to me that white jazz musicians have been amongst those at the forefront of fighting racism in this country, even dating back to the 1920s.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tubaman at batnet.com 
  To: Steve barbone 
  Cc: DJML 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 5:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] 'Shine' the slang meaning

  > For those who are still unsure about "Shine" and "Pipe The Shine".
  > "Shine" is/was a derogatory term for "Nigger" which is/was a derogatory
  > term
  > for Black people.
  > It was still in use in the 1940s, 50s and 60s in parts of, if not all of
  > the
  > USA. Probably still is in use today.
  > "Pipe the shine" meant to beat the "shine" with a lead pipe, or blackjack
  > which had their own slang terms as being a "nigger knocker".

  Unfortunately, I guess I stand corrected - several confirming links from
  this direction that did not show up when I searched "Pipe the Shine" - but
  I now see this connection...


  and many others that were much nastier and hateful. Certainly part of our
  jazz history that most OKOM fans hesitate to acknowledge!

  Dave Richoux

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