[Dixielandjazz] Dixieland was George Lewis
Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:18:02 -0400
I have seen these sub-divisions of dixieland before and the concept falls
short, in my opinion.
There is no place for the New York stride of Fats Waller, James P, willie
the Lion etc;
No place for the blues of Bessie Smith or the Jazz singing of Ethel Waters
nor early swing nor Buddy Bolden's ragtime, etc etc
- none of these styles can be called dixieland.
Seems more suitable to me to have the term "traditional jazz", as the
umbrella, with dixieland as one of the various styles.
The best attempt (and it can only be an attempt!) at defining the various
OKOM jazz styles that I have seen is
"A Traditional Jazz Style Guide" by Dave Robinson. it can be seen on the
Trqaditional Jazz Educators network web site. Anyone interested can view it
In my opinion this is a more meaningful explanation than the attempt by Tex
Brian (what goes around comes around!)Towers,
> I agree with Jim Beebe here. Dixieland is what Lewis played. If New
> Orleans Jazz means "ensemble" then I think Nick LaRocca would have named
> his band the Original New Orleans Jazz Band. Perhaps Tex Wyndham has the
> right idea. It is all Dixieland. However within that framework are seven
> styles of Dixieland, or sub categories: They are, stated with simplicity
> for brevity's sake:
> Downtown New Orleans - First played by classically trained creole
> musos (King Oliver music)
> Uptown New Orleans - Rough edged, ear players, little formal training
> (George Lewis music)
> White New Orleans - (Original Dixieland Jazz Band - New Orleans Rhythm
> Kings music)
> Chicago - (Condon -Jim Beebe - Don Ingle - Kim Cusack - Wild Bill
> British Trad ( All those Brits who appeared in the 50s with a
> distinctly "British" New Orleans style)
> San Francisco or West Coast Revival (Turk Murphy, Lu Watters, Bob
> I forget the 7th style, Hot Dance? (Louis Armstrong Big Band etc) In
> any case, if you subscribe to Tex's opinion, then it is all Dixieland.
> And all of it except Chicago has the primary emphasis on ensemble.
> According to Richard Sudhalter, "Dixieland" became a white band oriented
> description in the 30s and "Small Band Swing" was the equivalent black
> band term. However the music was the same. The media and/or record
> producers coined the terms, not the musos. When I grew up in New York
> City, Wilbur DeParis' band was playing Dixieland as far as he and we,
> were concerned. That color distinction hype is just about gone now and
> was responsible for a lot of confusion about the music.
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