[Dixielandjazz] Check out my band playing Ellington's Awful Sad!

[Madison T]

Wow Everyone. Thanks so much for the compliments. I'm so glad to be a part
of this email list haha. It's like pulling teeth trying to get people
interested in this music in Jacksonville Florida, so I'm glad to have a
spot to converse with people who not only love it as much as me, but who I
can learn from. Hear i thought Awful Sad was a super unknown tune. I'm also
really interested in hearing that second redemption by Ellington's band.
So, Bill, when you say it is unreleased, do you mean there is no version
out there to listen to?

Hal, Yes please do! I wanna check out the group

On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 5:07 AM Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com> wrote:

> I started the "pianoless" discussion by stating that it was strange to
> hear a pianoless version of an Ellington number.  What I meant had nothing
> to so with solos, but rather with pianoless rhythm sections.  In general, I
> prefer rhythm sections with a piano - a strange statement coming from an
> avid of the (pre-Jazz and Blues) Barber band, which, by the way, recorded
> quite a lot of Ellingtonia.
> In the same posting I mentioned Eli Preminger's penchant for reviving
> obscure Ellington numbers.  While the last time I heard him play such a
> tune it was with a piano, his band (Eli and the Chocolate Factory) is
> usually pianoless, and plays Ellingtonia, not only obscure, very well.
> Cheers,
> Marek
>
> On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 at 02:14, Shaw, Tim <Tim.Shaw at vidrl.org.au> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>> I agree with Bill - always nice to fine "new" old tunes resurrected -
>> especially if they deserve it - not all do - but "Awful Sad" does - & it's
>> not unique amongst Ellingtonia - listen (eg) to
>> "The Mystery Song"  (which does have a bit of DE piano but mainly
>> decorative, not so "functional" -
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlveGjxUeFw
>>
>> Really "good" tunes (& most music in general) is independent of
>> instrumentation.  (Think of the baroque greats Bach, Scarlatti, Handel et
>> al. as the extreme case).
>> Ellington's pianistic skills pre-mid-1930s were very secondary to his
>> ability to "herd (musical) cats" - clearly a thankless & exhausting task,
>> considering what a bunch of bad lads the DE band were - and continued to be
>> until his son, Mercer Ellington took over the job of trying to clean up
>> their behaviour. Mercer probably kept them in work, but the musos resented
>> him & I'm pretty sure that most of us on the listening end (OKOM dept.)
>> much prefer the earlier bands stacked by "bad" (in both, opposite senses)
>> dudes.
>> I reckon the really "great" Ellingtonia mostly sounds great regardless of
>> instrumentation - listen to (eg) piano-less Tuba Skinny doing Jubilee Stomp.
>> Very best,
>> tim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Haesler [mailto:bhaesler at bigpond.net.au]
>> Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2020 2:02 PM
>> To: Shaw, Tim
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
>> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Check out my band playing Ellington's Awful Sad!
>>
>> > gerard.bielderman at telfort.nl> <gerard.bielderman at telfort.nl> wrote in
>> reply to Jim Kash:
>> > Serious jazz lovers (like me) will always be happy when there are some
>> new tunes on a cd and not the old warhorses. So it should be a mix of
>> standards and obscure tunes I think.
>>
>> Dear Listmates,
>> I'm with Gerard.
>> I always look for new tunes and often ignore a CD if it comprises
>> selections of warhorses or those taken from the list I call the '100
>> standards'.
>> The same rule applied generally with the tunes played by my several bands
>> for engagements and recordings over the years.
>> However, I suppose it depends on the intended audience for the CD.
>> In Jim's case it is usually aimed at the point of sale; his tourist
>> audiences. A memento. And therefore an exception.
>> And I know, from watching/listening to his videos and mp3s of his band,
>> Jim does them all extremely well.
>>
>> It is interesting that Madison picked that rare and neglected 1928
>> Ellington tune "Awful Sad".
>> A good choice - and it is an excellent rendition. Congratulations.
>> Although the 1928 version is well known to older collectors Ellington,
>> for some reason he only recorded it twice in his long career.
>> And, as has been pointed out, it did not contain a piano solo. Why?
>> Oddly, the second (1933) rendition was never released, notwithstanding
>> that there were three takes. Another "why?"
>> Cheers to all,
>> Bill.
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