[Dixielandjazz] Roy Eldridge followed Louis Armstrong?

Wed Apr 12 09:23:25 EDT 2017

Difficult to know whether a musician really improvises or plays things
carefully planned in advance.  James often sounded as if he were
improvising.  Listen, for example, to his recordings with the Boogie Woogie
trio.  I cannot be sure, but I believe that his solos on the various BG
records sound different from performance to performance.
Cheers

On 12 April 2017 at 16:05, Paul Kurtz Jr <phktrumpet at gmail.com> wrote:

> One of the biggest benefits I see in the stretching of discussions on this
> list is that we can analyze jazz and see how it can stretch and fit into
> today’s environment more than it is. One example is some of the
> Bluegrassers and rock and rollers putting dixieland and other forms of jazz
> into their music. Del Mccurry playing material with the Preservation Hall
> is one example. I bought the song set and have enjoyed it. No, I didn’t
> spell Del’s last name correctly, but you guys can find it.
>
> The brass quintets using Dixieland is another very fruitful area such as
> material done by the Canadian Brass. Many other brass groups have produced
> good music in this area, too.
>
> Why do I look for many of these crossovers? Simply because, as a musician
> looking at getting gigs, the farther I can spread, the better and the more
> likely I’ll find things on my little semi-professional level.
>
> The other thing that these wider-ranging discussions do is to get into a
> deeper analysis of jazz, chords, and where improv starts and stops. I was
> listening to a Gene Krupa and Harry James song set last night and thinking
> how close some of his playing was to bebop in certain songs. I’m not a
> lover of bop necessarily, but I am a lover of Harry James and I think he’s
> been improperly criticized for not being able to improvise. Even a person
> who writes out their improvisations so they can save them for the future is
> still improvising because they’re creating something where nothing was
> before.
>
> These are just a few thoughts stimulated by the recent discussion because
> Miles took those chords in some unexpected directions.
> Paul Kurtz Jacksonville, FL
> > On Apr 12, 2017, at 3:19 AM, Charles Suhor <csuhor at zebra.net> wrote:
> >
> > Fuzzy, I concur with your view about the “two DJMLs.”  We don’t have as
> many robust exchanges here as we did earlier. When I went to the “new” list
> quite some time ago, I didn’t find much discussion there and didn’t feel I
> had time for the video links. I haven’t returned. Maybe someone else on
> this list who stayed with the other can tell us more.
> >
> > I don’t know you, but I admire your temperate, frank, and wise comments
> on this topic.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > On Apr 11, 2017, at 10:39 PM, Fuzzy <fuzzymail at fuzzyjazz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Charles,
> >>
> >> I agree whole-heartedly that such discussions are fun.  I’ve really
> enjoyed reading through this line of posts about Miles.  Having said that,
> it didn’t surprise me that hackles might have been raised a bit when
> various opinions were stated on one side or the other.
> >>
> >> I sure miss the old activity on this list.  I’m still relatively “new”
> to the list, but I remember what it was like prior to the Facebook group
> being created.  I miss the discussions here.  Prior to finding my Facebook
> account terminated by Facebook, I even checked into the non-original-djml
> Facebook group once or twice.  (I realize that we sort of have a Dukes of
> Dixieland vs Real Dukes of Dixieland thing going on here – so I want to
> draw a distinction between the two different DJML groups).  However, the
> Facebook group didn’t really seem to have much discussion.  It looked like
> people were sharing lots of video links, etc., (which was neat) but it
> didn’t appear to have much discussion going on…perhaps I didn’t visit often
> enough to see the discussions?
> >>
> >> Regardless, I had/have come to appreciate all the various viewpoints in
> this original DJML and have learned so much from just about every person on
> the list.  (Or should I say, “…every personality on the list”?)  I miss the
> old traffic and posts.  I miss the various personalities, and the great
> discussions about music.  Now, I appreciate seeing the lead sheet requests
> come through – as I’ve been exposed to a handful of new-to-me titles which
> I’ve had to look up.
> >>
> >> At any rate – best wishes to all of you great music-lovers out there.
> I look forward to any future installments to the list.
> >>
> >> Fuzzy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Charles Suhor [mailto:csuhor at zebra.net]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 8:08 PM
> >> To: Fuzzy
> >> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Roy Eldridge followed Louis Armstrong?
> >>
> >> Good analogy, Fuzzy. And legitimate, in so far as we know what “DJML”
> stands for as title of the list. And though  “OKOM” doesn’t stand for
> “Omnivore Kind of Music,” I think it’s healthy to have some tangential
> discussions. I probably started the Miles strand when it was said (and
> latter retracted, happily) that those who dig Miles aren’t jazz fans. The
> ensuing result might disappoint many but it revealed that some of us find
> such an exchange valuable. I wish that more of the OKOM posts went beyond
> informational, thematically correct but insider matters-- lead sheets,
> discographical questions, where-my-band-will-be next week, etc. What
> disappoints me is the relative lack of substantive activity about OKOM. My
> memory, admittedly undependable at this point, is that earlier there were
> more idea-ful discussions.
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >>> On Apr 11, 2017, at 2:13 PM, Fuzzy <fuzzymail at fuzzyjazz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It’s great to see activity on the DJML again!  However, this current
> conversation about Miles leaves me thinking a thought I often have while
> listening to “early jazz” radio programs:
> >>>
> >>> It’s like going to the store and seeing paper bags labeled, “Apples:
> $10 per bag.”
> >>>
> >>> You buy a bag of apples, but get home only to find the bag is full of
> pears instead of apples.  It doesn’t mean the pears are bad…just that you
> were expecting to enjoy some apples.  Maybe you can find some enjoyment in
> the pears, but then again, maybe you hate pears.  The view will vary
> depending on individual taste.
> >>>
> >>> Likewise, when a listener/participant of a radio show (or mailing
> list) is listening/participating due to the topic of early jazz – I think
> some amount of disappointment is to be expected (from some) when
> non-early-jazz is shared/discussed.  It’s not necessarily that the
> music/topic is bad – just not what is expected or necessarily shared in
> appreciation at the same level as early jazz.
> >>>
> >>> Warmest Regards,
> >>> Fuzzy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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