[Dixielandjazz] Basin Street Six - Margie
Nicholas Ribush
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Sat Jan 9 23:33:13 UTC 2016
Here it is.
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> 1. Re: Basin Street Six - "Margie" question (Fuzzy)
> 2. Re: Basin Streeet Six - Margie (Ken Mathieson)
> 3. Re: Basin Street Six - "Margie" question (Charles Suhor)
> 4. Basin Street Six - Margie (Bill Haesler)
> 5. Re: Basin Street Six - Margie (rahberry at comcast.net <javascript:;>)
> 6. Yamaha trombone (Jim Kashishian)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 13:20:42 -0700
> Margie.mp3
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5J1sOE8ZKy8OFZud0NGQUxjenhJam1nUUhZdjk2U1pVaUdR/view?usp=drivesdk>
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> From: "Fuzzy" <fuzzymail at fuzzyjazz.com <javascript:;>>
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> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Basin Street Six - "Margie" question
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> Bill,
>
> Thanks for the detailed response. I will keep an eye out for the 10" LP
> Mercury MG 25111. I've only just started my LP/78 collection, and I'm not
> picky at this point. So, perhaps I'll be able to find this album somewhere
> for a comparison! The really sad thing is - when I was in high school and
> worked at the local public library in the evenings, one of my jobs was to
> file books and records back onto the shelves/bins (this is how I first
> discovered Pete Fountain). Anyway - upon just looking up MG 25111 online,
> I
> see an album cover which looks very familiar to me...I'm fairly certain the
> library had the record when I was a kid...and I never listened to it!
> Sigh.
> I will be passing through the city which houses that library sometime
> within
> the next month or so, and I might just stop by to see if they still have
> those old records stored away somewhere!
>
> Of course, I'd be honored to hear from Jack if he has any time or interest
> in responding to my original post too.
>
> Fuzzy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Haesler [mailto:bhaesler at bigpond.net.au <javascript:;>]
> Subject: Basin Street Six - "Margie" question
>
> Dear Fuzzy,
> Sadly, your link returned the now ubiquitous YouTube message "This video is
> not availabble. Sorry about that."
> The fun police have struck again! Stifling jazz research.
> Based on the information provided by Youtube, that "Margie" is from the GHB
> BCD-103, 'The Complete Circle Recordings', recorded on 28 August and 30
> November 1950, eight of which were originally released on the rare 10"
> Circle LP JL403.
>
> 1. Margie
> 2. Farewell Blues
> 3. That's a Plenty #1
> 4. That's a Plenty #2
> 5. Up a Lazy River
> 6. Jazz Me Blues
> 7. I'm Going Home
> 8. High Society
> 9. South Rampart Street Parade
> 10. Mahogany Hall Stomp
> 11. World's Waiting For the Sunrise
> 12. Waiting For the Robert E. Lee
>
> We older collectors are more familiar with the BS6 version of "Margie"
> recorded on 19 September 1951 and released on 10" LP Mercury MG 25111.
> Our band's clarinet player, Jack Wiard (a DJML lurker) has a complete
> collection of Pete Fountain recodings and may be able to check his library
> and answer your question.
> Cheers,
> Bill.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 21:27:41 +0000
> From: Ken Mathieson <ken at kenmath.free-online.co.uk <javascript:;>>
> To: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com <javascript:;>
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> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Basin Streeet Six - Margie
> Message-ID: <569029CD.40801 at kenmath.free-online.co.uk <javascript:;>>
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> Hi All,
>
> Youtube wouldn't let me in either in Scotland, but Spotify has it and
> their version is in Eb, not the written key of F, and it's at a
> leisurely strolling tempo of 120 beats per minute. On the other hand,
> Fuzzy's clip is certainly in A with a tempo of 145 bpm and to my ears
> appears to have identical musical content. It's certainly not an
> alternative take - they wouldn't have changed key just to do it at a
> different tempo, especially as it has a vocal. On the other hand it does
> seem very leisurely at 120 bpm, so is the version on Spotify running
> slower with a pitch reduction of a whole tone from the written key? Are
> there any mathematicians or acoustic experts on the list who could
> verify whether raising the tempo from 120 to 145 bpm would raise the
> pitch by 4 semitones or 6?
>
> The Spotify version is from a CD of Pete Fountain & His Basin Street Six
> and the cover art displayed shows a stern-on view of a Mississippi
> riverboat tied up at a wharf and the CD number on the cover is 504CD16.
> Does that correspond with the original LP issue?
>
> A can of worms indeed!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 15:48:20 -0600
> From: Charles Suhor <csuhor at zebra.net <javascript:;>>
> To: Fuzzy <fuzzymail at fuzzyjazz.com <javascript:;>>
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> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Basin Street Six - "Margie" question
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> Hi, Fuzzy?
>
> The main sources I have about Fountain and Girard?s relationship are (1)
> reliable hearsay at the time and (2) my interview with Pete for a Down Beat
> article (11/23/61). The former was the widely circulated story that both
> enjoyed the spotlight with the Six, out-clowning each other with onstage
> hijinks (the funny hats thing). Plus, Pete wasn?t fond of George?s singing.
> Lou Dillon, my drum teacher at the time, was on B. Street leading the pit
> band at the Sho?Bar, and he was a concrete source with no axe to grind. He
> commented that he thought Pete was a lot funnier than George. Others talked
> about the tension, not maliciously but in the course of chatter over
> coffee, beer, etc. In the interview for DB, I asked Pete why he went to a
> quartet format (Pete Fountain and His Three Coins) after he left the Six
> and opened at the Famous Door. It didn?t get in the article, but he said
> something like ?Trumpeters! They drive me crazy! And who could I get that
> could play the style? Thomas Jefferson is working?.etc.? I took this as
> coded confirmation of his differences with Girard but didn?t pursue it. It
> wasn?t my gig to stir that pot.
>
> I?ve thumbed through the autobio but didn?t read it closely. I?m not
> surprised that Pete spoke well of George. Old feuds often fade as time
> passes. In 1972 there was no gain to be had from reviewing the past. Pete
> was, after all, famous and in a secure position, much loved as an artist
> and cultural icon. And George, after all, was a fine player who died of
> cancer at a young age. Pete did the right thing by praising George?s clear
> gifts.
>
> Charlie
>
> P.S.?Pete, by the way, gave my brother a new clarinet when he saw the bad
> condition Don?s clarinet was in. In turn, after Don died I donated it to a
> N.O. musician who lost his horns in Katrina.
>
>
>
> > On Jan 8, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Fuzzy <fuzzymail at fuzzyjazz.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > Charlie,
> >
> > Have you read A Closer Walk (Pete's autobiography)? Reading that book is
> the only reference I have pertaining to the relationship between Pete and
> George. If I recall correctly, Pete (in that book) portrayed a genuine
> respect for George's talent, but did mention the departure where George
> misled the Basin Street Six group into thinking he was sick, when he really
> went out to play elsewhere, which created the separation. He stated that
> he admired George's (paraphrased) drive, verve, dedication, and boldness in
> progressing his musical endeavors.
> >
> > The book also touches on the subject of the "funny hats band" too.
> >
> > Unfortunately, this single book is really my only knowledge of the
> subject of their breakup/relationship though...could you recommend further
> material?
> >
> > Fuzzy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charles Suhor [mailto:csuhor at zebra.net <javascript:;>]
> > Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Basin Street Six - "Margie" question
> >
> > I have this excellent CD of the Six. They were the hottest young band of
> the postwar revival, a joy to hear. I thought them to be far more swinging
> than the Dukes, who turned blatantly commercial?and successful?with their
> first Audio Fidelity LP (in hi-fi, an innovation at there time). Despite
> this, Frank Assunto continued to grow as a trumpeter in my view. The Six
> used to clown around a lot on the bandstand and play occasional flagwavers
> like Waiting for the Robert E. Lee, so they got a bad rap as a ?funny hats
> band? from some critics. But then they?d turn around and play a jazz tune
> that would knock yer socks off. Girard and Pete didn?t get along so the
> Six broke up, and George brought a fine unit into the Famous Door.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 10:44:48 +1100
> From: Bill Haesler <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au <javascript:;>>
> To: Ken Mathieson <ken at kenmath.free-online.co.uk <javascript:;>>,
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> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Basin Street Six - Margie
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> Ken Mathieson wrote:
> > ...The Spotify version is from a CD of Pete Fountain & His Basin Street
> Six and the cover art displayed shows a stern-on view of a Mississippi
> riverboat tied up at a wharf and the CD number on the cover is 504CD16.
> Does that correspond with the original LP issue?
> > A can of worms indeed!
>
> Dear Ken,
> I also found that one this morning.
> It was recorded in the early 1950s but not released until 1988.
>
> Basin Street Six ?? Bonaparte's Retreat
> 504 Records ?? 504 LP.16
>
> A1 Waiting For Robert E. Lee
> A2 South Rampart Street Parade
> A3 Angry
> A4 Bonapartes' Retreat
> A5 Original Dixieland One Step
> A6 Land Of Dreams
> A7 Mahogany Hall Stomp
> A8 Royal Garden Blues
> B1 Sailing Down The Cheseapeak Bay
> B2 Millenburgs Joys
> B3 Margie
> B4 High Society
> B5 I'M Goiing Home
> B6 Farewall Blues
>
> The LP cover has a pic of Bonaparte's Retreat.
>
> http://www.discogs.com/Basin-Street-Six-Bonapartes-Retreat/release/2291434
>
> I also forgot to mention earlier that I have a 12" LP 'Strictly Dixie
> featuring George Girard and The Basin Street Six' (Mercury MG 20151).
> It includes a great "Tin Roof Blues", a feature for Pete Fountain ala
> Irving Fazola.
> Jess and I hope you enjoyed Hogmanay.
>
> For those interested, most of this subject (but not the "Margie"query) was
> discussed on the DJML back in May 2006.
> The DJML Archives are at
> http://ml.islandnet.com/pipermail/dixielandjazz/
> Cheers,
> Bill.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 23:56:15 +0000 (UTC)
> From: rahberry at comcast.net <javascript:;>
> To: "Haesler, Bill" <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au <javascript:;>>
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> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Basin Street Six - Margie
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> I LOVE Pete Fountain's solo on the verse to Tin Roof on that record.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Bill Haesler" <bhaesler at bigpond.net.au <javascript:;>>
> To: rahberry at comcast.net <javascript:;>
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> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 3:44:48 PM
> Subject: [Dixielandjazz] Basin Street Six - Margie
>
> Ken Mathieson wrote:
> > ...The Spotify version is from a CD of Pete Fountain & His Basin Street
> Six and the cover art displayed shows a stern-on view of a Mississippi
> riverboat tied up at a wharf and the CD number on the cover is 504CD16.
> Does that correspond with the original LP issue?
> > A can of worms indeed!
>
> Dear Ken,
> I also found that one this morning.
> It was recorded in the early 1950s but not released until 1988.
>
> Basin Street Six ?? Bonaparte's Retreat
> 504 Records ?? 504 LP.16
>
> A1 Waiting For Robert E. Lee
> A2 South Rampart Street Parade
> A3 Angry
> A4 Bonapartes' Retreat
> A5 Original Dixieland One Step
> A6 Land Of Dreams
> A7 Mahogany Hall Stomp
> A8 Royal Garden Blues
> B1 Sailing Down The Cheseapeak Bay
> B2 Millenburgs Joys
> B3 Margie
> B4 High Society
> B5 I'M Goiing Home
> B6 Farewall Blues
>
> The LP cover has a pic of Bonaparte's Retreat.
> http://www.discogs.com/Basin-Street-Six-Bonapartes-Retreat/release/2291434
>
> I also forgot to mention earlier that I have a 12" LP 'Strictly Dixie
> featuring George Girard and The Basin Street Six' (Mercury MG 20151).
> It includes a great "Tin Roof Blues", a feature for Pete Fountain ala
> Irving Fazola.
> Jess and I hope you enjoyed Hogmanay.
>
> For those interested, most of this subject (but not the "Margie"query) was
> discussed on the DJML back in May 2006.
> The DJML Archives are at
> http://ml.islandnet.com/pipermail/dixielandjazz/
> Cheers,
> Bill.
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 18:46:26 +0100
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> I think I mentioned awhile back that I had bought a new Yamaha trombone,
> model YSL891Z. This is a horn designed for jazz. Using the L.A. leadpipe
> instead of the shorter N.Y. labelled pipe allows a really punchy sound and
> amazing range, although I understand the different leadpipes are a personal
> thing. I am really pleased with the horn, and recommend that anyone
> looking
> into buying a new horn have a try on it.
>
> As I am growing into the horn I find that it has a really big sounding
> lower
> range, and that I can reach way into the high range. High Bb & C are
> easy-peasy, big, round and full, and I can even get up to high F
> (sometimes!).
>
> The new horn, along with discovering Pilates, which demands excersizing
> mainly with your stomach muscles, has given the old chops the spark that
> was
> needed to get on top of old-age! A new horn & excersize are highly
> recommended!
>
> I know I won't convince those that are into the older horns, but the newer
> technology in building these horns is something to look into. On top of
> that, it's a beautiful horn to look at!
>
> Jim
>
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