[Dixielandjazz] Spanish songs from New Orleans

[Bert]

Please always keep in mind that in New Orleans there was no recording equipment at the time! Most of what we call New Orleans Jazz today was recorded in places like Camden, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles (Kid Ory's first records) So distance wise, certainly for those times, pretty much removed from the source, and further away from Cuba, Puerto Rico and other former Spanish Colonies. 
I would suggest a listening to : - New Orleans Joys , by Jelly Roll Morton. - Mamamita - Jelly Roll Morton- Spanish Shawl , several bands I guess, but certainly Fletcher Henderson, or Sam Lanin. Composed by Elmer Schoebel. - Moonlight Fiësta (also named Puerto Rican Chaos) - Barney Bigard's small band version is the nicest, but there is also a full band recording - Duke Ellington, composed by Juan Tizol. - Caravan - Juan Tizol- Conga Brava - Ellington, also Tizol- Search more Juan Tizol compositions .(According to Barney Bigard, in his biography, Tizol was the BEST musician in the Duke Ellington band during his time)- Rumba Negro - Bennie Moten's Kansas City Orchestra- Louis Armstrong: Peanut Vendor (It actually was recorded by a latin American band, before Louis, including the trumpet part. Louis played the trumpet bit better, but the Latin band had a better groove!) 
Ralph Escudero, the tuba player who played with Henderson and others like mcKinney's Cotton Pickers, like Tizol came from Puerto Rico. 
As these examples show, the influence is definitly there, widespread, but not always very clear.
Kind regards,
Bert Brandsma 



> From: csuhor at zebra.net
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:59:28 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Spanish songs from New Orleans
> CC: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> To: mister_bertje at hotmail.com
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> I’ve always wondered if the claims of Spanish and Caribbean influences on early jazz were exaggerated. The tango craze and Morton’s few left hand tango rhythms are cited, but I don't hear a more widespread or pervasive influence in early jazz The Spanish flamenco dance rhythms, with tapping and castanets, seem a good candidate, but the where do those show up in early jazz? I’d like to be convinced otherwise, but it seems that ragtime syncopations that carried over to jazz and the fluid triplet feeling of jazz phrasing are dependably derived from African sources. Any help from you-all would be appreciated.
> 
> Charlie
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> 
> > On Oct 23, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Kevin Yeates <kyeates at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I have greatly enjoyed the few Spanish tunes I have heard that are in the trad jazz genre. Unfortunately they seem to be few and far between (or my massive musical ignorance is on full display). I know of The Cure, and St Louis Blues with its Latin part. After that I am running short on tunes. 
> > 
> > Could some of those more knowledgeable on this list provide the names of some other "Spanish" tunes?
> > Kevin YeatesVancouver, Canada
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