[Dixielandjazz] Tram - Clifford Brown

[Steve Voce]

So,Marek, you just scatter a random handful of insults around ( thank you for omitting my treasured Miles Davis) and hope to walk away.
Fortunately for you, you have no trouble finding people to insult because your knowledge of jazz is so limited that you hate 95 per cent of its musicians. And of course you don't let your ignorance of what they do or how they play prevent you from being rude about them.
Your knowledge of jazz seems to be infantile (I hate to think of what these much-vaunted 'live' sessions that you are always going on about must be like). I feel that your knowledge of music in general must be juvenile.
And I hate how you manage all the time to draw me in with your idiotic statements!
OK. Now, as far as I'm concerned, you CAN walk away.

Steve Voce

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> On 28 Apr 2015, at 15:07, Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Stan,
> Had you followed the entire thread, you would have read that I had the
> misfortune to hear them all, including Coltrane, Hubbard, Ornette Coleman -
> tho whole lot.
> Anyway, it seems time to end this very much OT discussion.
> Cheers
> 
>> On 28 April 2015 at 07:22, Stan Brager <sbrager at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Marek;
>> 
>> When you state that you do not consider [Clifford] Brown a* jazz*
>> musician, I can only assume that you're familiar with the form of jazz
>> which Brown plays. That you've critically listened to and studied  to
>> some degree that particular genre. If that's true, then I can accept your
>> personal feelings of Brown's music.
>> 
>> If that isn't true, then how can you possibly consider whether or not
>> Brown is a jazz musician?
>> 
>> Stan
>> 
>> Stan Brager
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marek Boym [mailto:marekboym at gmail.com <marekboym at gmail.com>]
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 7:00 AM
>> To: Robert Ringwald
>> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Tram - Clifford Brown
>> 
>>> Brown is beyond the scope - I do not consider Brown a jazz musician.
>> 
>>> (Snip)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Dear Marek,
>> 
>> 
>>> If Brown is not a Jazz musician, what is he?
>> 
>> 
>>> He is most sirtenly a great Jazz musician. He may not play in the
>> 
>>> style you like, but to deny that he is a Jazz musician is ridiculous.
>> 
>> 
>> Perhaps it is ridiculous - not to my ears.  I have always found his music
>> boring.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> -Bob Ringwald
>> 
>> 
>> 
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