[Dixielandjazz] Tram - Clifford Brown [WARNING: SPF validation unavailable]

[Shaw, Tim]

Ron, 
One of the reasons Clifford Brown is so much admired is for his phenomenal "playing ability" - tone, technique (no over-used), intonation, control,  etc 
- Ask any trumpeter - or for that matter, any competent musician.  Whether or not you appreciate the type of music he plays is largely irrelevant.
tim 

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From: Dixielandjazz [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April, 2015 1:25 PM
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I had never heard Clifford Brown so what with all this discussion about him, I tried listening to some of the stuff on youtube.   Now I know why I did not hear Brown before.  He does not fit into what I like about trumpet/cornet playing, or my mind's concept of traditional jazz.  I can't comment on his playing ability.

Ron L


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From: Dixielandjazz [mailto:dixielandjazz-bounces at ml.islandnet.com] On Behalf Of Paul Kurtz Jr
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 6:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Tram - Clifford Brown

Marek, I love you to death and am happy for you to have your opinions full-blown. And, I’m happy for you to have whatever blinkers on you want.

The simple problem is that when you tell Steve not to preach to you, you turn right around and preach to others about how bad certain music is, how it’s not jazz, etc., etc. You simply can’t have it both ways. If you can’t and don’t want to modify your strong stance which is your right, then you certainly have to expect the same strong opinions in return.

Clifford Brown, John Coltrane, and others are defined as jazz musicians by a ton of musicologists. I’ve never seen them called rock, country, bluegrass, or classical musicians. I also haven’t seen them called pop musicians. When Bob asked you what Clifford Brown is if he’s not a jazz musician, you’ve had no answer to date. I therefore ask that question again, what is he if not a jazz musician? What category do you fit him in? And may I say that non-music isn’t good enough for you to be pinned down to. :-) :-) Paul Kurtz Jacksonville, FL _______________________________________________
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