[Dixielandjazz] Dixielandjazz Digest, Vol 142, Issue 27

Mon Oct 20 14:45:00 PDT 2014

RE: Freeform Music

I hate to ask a dumb question, but has anyone asked when "freeform" becomes
"improvisation"?

Just curious.

Dan (Piano Fingers) Spink

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>    1. Re: Free Form Music (Charles Suhor)
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> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:31:56 -0500
> From: Charles Suhor <csuhor at zebra.net>
> To: Paul Kurtz Jr <kurtzph at comcast.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Free Form Music
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> Same comment as on your last posting! Good on ya, Paul.
>
> Charlie
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> On Oct 20, 2014, at 7:08 AM, Paul Kurtz Jr wrote:
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> > Charles, by nature, I?m an old blues player with some dixieland,
> country, and bluegrass, as well as rock, thrown in. But, I will try and
> over-lay some classical music over a dixieland or some other type of jazz
> number and visa versa. My purpose for the congregation is to get them to
> listen instead of taking the music for granted. That way, they re-embed the
> words of life into themselves. And of course, it gives me a little
> entertainment in the process, thinking these things up on the spot. They?re
> not complicated, just fun. :-)
> >
> > At a friend?s funeral who loved Cannonball Addrley, I put a rif from one
> of Cannonball?s songs, ?Dis Here, on the end of a classical piece and told
> his wife, also a good friend what and why I?d done it, in honor of him. We
> both still remember that fondly.
> >
> > Paul Kurtz Jacksonville, FL
> >> On Oct 20, 2014, at 12:08 AM, Charles Suhor <csuhor at zebra.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Sounds like you're applying your skills with chords in ways that make
> the church gig interesting, and with the good taste not to get
> inappropriate. I' ll bet it enriches the spiritual experience of the
> congregation. The older I get, the more I believe that aesthetic
> experiences are essentially spiritual.
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >> On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Paul Kurtz Jr wrote:
> >>
> >>> Charlie, I?ve held off commenting on this topic because of the many,
> many who don?t like free-form jazz and modern stuff in general. I can?t say
> there?s a ton of it I like, but there?s one part of the baby I don?t want
> to throw out with the bath water.
> >>>
> >>> When I play for anybody including as recently as playing for a church
> service this morning, I try and put different chord structures and flows in
> there. I also put different scales in there, as long as they transition
> well to where I?m going. My material can?t be free-form because I?m working
> within an existing melody and chord structure. But, what I do with that is
> and can be helped by some of the things I listen to in some of the freer
> jazz licks. I can better do what I need to do with more variety. Augmented
> and diminished chords that can transition to different parts of a song but
> aren?t always used are good things to hear and know. So, I just use these
> as a stretching exercise or stretching exercises for me.
> >>>
> >>> Paul Kurtz Jacksonville, FL
> >>>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Charles Suhor <csuhor at zebra.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Okay, I get it--there's generally though not universally a low
> threshold of acceptance of free form music on the list. Understandably,
> since its title is "D(ixieland)JML" and the byword is "OKOM." Pluralize the
> K, and I?m good with it. I can enjoy good jazz from Bunk to Monk, as the
> old slogan goes (and beyond).
> >>>> By way of footnote to the strand, I'll add that experimentation in
> music, literature, painting, theater, film, or whatever, has always been
> met with hostility and ridicule by those who are comfortable with their
> conditioned tastes. Some innovative works, styles, and genres die a natural
> and deserved  death, while others endure to be enjoyed by large or
> specialize populations.
> >>>> I also get it that even art that stands the test of time often
> remains impenetrable to large numbers of people. As a retired English
> teacher, I publicly confess that I found Faulkner?s "Absalom, Absalom" and
> Joyce?s "Finnegan?s Wake" unreadable. But I won't dismiss those works as
> nonsense or be flippant about the authors or readers who can respond to
> them with pleasure.
> >>>>
> >>>> Charlie Suhor
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Louis Lince wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Steve,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We don't often agree, but we don't fall out these days! You've
> nailed it with this one
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Louis
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Steve said <polite snip>Al Cohn was asked if he listened to free
> form jazz. "No, I don't," he replied, "and I don't read books written by
> people who can't spell."
> >>>>>
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