[Dixielandjazz] Dixieland

[ROBERT R. CALDER]

Come to think of it, HarrySweets was a forerunner of Bunk as a recorded trumpeter I could appreciate...
Of course Sweets' playing was recorded before Bunk's. And Bunk died before I was born. And I did actually meet the great Edison. 
I was of course joking about what the ignorant supposed was "trad"...  

Maybe I should have imagined some poor sod supposing Buddy Tate was so old his clarinet had twisted and swelled and now looked as if it was made of brass ....

I am not talking of Buddy's actual clarinet, the one he was playing when recorded by the BBC for a 3am radio broadcast. He had this very nice slow item. Blue Creek,  which was faded out half-way for the broadcast of a storm warning, after which the tape of Blue Creek resumed.  I should have a recording of it somewhere. It beat those Slim Gaillard broadcasts from the 1940s where the long one interpolated mock advertisements. 


In the UK radio ads unlike press mentions of jazz are under some constraint to avoid misrepresentations!

RRC





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> From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym at teledyn.com>
>To: ROBERT R. CALDER <serapion at btinternet.com> 
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>Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2014, 13:45
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>Sweets Edison a forerunner of Bunk Johnson?  Bunk was playing top clubs when Louis Armstrong was a street urchin singing barbershop on the corner!  Harry on the other hand, was a mere twinkle in somebody's eye when Louis was first cornet of the coloured waifs' band.
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>just sayin'
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>I still think the labels are meaningless of themselves, and that you give them meaning by giving them context and then establishing them as your brand.  Very few people, I'd think, would confuse the word 'jazz' as applied to a "Jazz Festival" that features Led Zepplin alumni as headliners with the same word applied to the Breda Jazz Festival, and if they did, they'd only do so once :)
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>On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:23 AM, ROBERT R. CALDER <serapion at btinternet.com> wrote:
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>I got that from people who made silly assumptions about the Edinburgh jazz festival, long ago, when that great forerunner of Bunk Johnson was around, HarrySweets Edison.  And Buddy Tate. 
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>>Please do not assume that I am reporting informed opinion. 
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>>I do recall another young man, much enthused about Peter King (and Red Rodney) thinking he could dismiss George Chisholm also as "trad", the very word he (mis)used.  And then there was all that flak deserved by a Caribbean musician whose name escapes me at the moment,  aahh -- it was Courtney Pine, who went on about how he was the new thing and previously there had only been people in duffel coats...
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>>But didn't Joe Harriott have a duffel coat?
>>It ought to be appreciated how far generation gap distortions damage things.
>>And it's that sort of rubbish younger musical persons might have to contend with.
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>>Robert
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>>----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Pat Ladd <pj.ladd at btinternet.com>
>>> To: ROBERT R. CALDER <serapion at btinternet.com>
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2014, 12:12
>>> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Dixieland
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>>> And of course "Trad" was also used by some folks at a certain time as
>>> a term of dismissal, and confusion. >>
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>>> Where did you get that from?.
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