[Dixielandjazz] Fletcher Henderson (was where does Dixieland end?)

[Bert]

To make the point more exact: Fletcher was recording director with Black Swan from 1921 - 1923. He started playing in some N.Y. clubs in 1922 but not as the main activity and not at his request. It were the musicians in the band who wanted to do it. 
When Black Swan went bankrupt, december 1923, there suddenly was a good reason for Fletcher to concentrate more on public performances. So that would have been around the start of 1924. Armstrong joined a couple of months later, in june to be exact. 
So indeed I was a bit sloppy in suggesting that the band did not play live before Armstrong, but I hope you forgive me with the general thought that before 1924 their main activity was not directed to playing live.

Bert

> From: garym at teledyn.com
> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:51:54 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Fletcher Henderson (was where does Dixieland	end?)
> CC: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> To: mister_bertje at hotmail.com
> 
> Doh! yes, *Johnny* -- I *have* to stop posting messages while trying to
> work at the same time.
> 
> he doesn't give particulars, and of course the reliability of old jazz guys
> is about as reliable as my own recollections of what's I'd read only a day
> before ;)
> 
> *If whatever band I was playing with was the first to get a new number, we
> would always cut the name off the music after we'd learned it, for other
> musicians would come snooping around and try and find the name of the tune
> if the crowd seemed to like it. If we had a new popular number worked up
> real good, this made for more jobs. They would hire the band that had the
> new stuff. Also, some of the guys would go into the music store and ask for
> a new number. Well, the clerk would bring out the arrangement, fifteen or
> eighteen parts in a folder. Then they'd ask for some obscure, old piece,
> and when the clerk turned his back to look for it, then they'd slip out the
> violin and cornet parts, so that if another band got it, they couldn't play
> it anyway.*
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Jack Mitchell <fjmitch at westnet.com.au>wrote:
> 
> >  Gary Murphy wrote: "I hadn't realized that Henderson's was a
> > recording-only band, so I suppose it makes sense that they'd be in the
> > studio every few weeks to knock out a few more hits."
> >
> > Fletcher Henderson worked in various clubs around New York whilst making
> > the early  records, and became a full time band leader about the end of
> > 1923. He was at the Roseland Ballroom when Louis Armstrong joined the band.
> >
> >
> > " in the Jimmy St Cyr memoires he also recalls the early pre-ODJB groups
> > rushing to the shops for the latest releases, and sometimes sabotaging
> > other copies to prevent competitors from playing the new material, and in
> > this sense the lineup may have been for pragmatic reasons, a minimum
> > reasonable ensemble lineup that might let a local territory band emulate
> > the Whiteman full-orchestra sound (Jimmy said the folios typically had
> > about 18 parts)"
> >
> > I haven't read Jimmie St. Cyr's memoires (was he related to the banjo
> > playing Johnny St Cyr ?) but 18 part orchestrations for dance or jazz bands
> > before 1917??  Can anyone name one??  Paul Whiteman only had a normal size
> > band until about 1923.
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Jack Mitchell
> >
> >
> 
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