[Dixielandjazz] DJML Facebook Page

Sat Jan 25 22:22:46 PST 2014

say it again, louder: "OKOM was not born and performed in Hotels at
low volume wheel chair accessible  warm and cozy upper middle class
Hotels it was performed in big old cold dance halls that warmed up
with the sweaty bodies of young folks having a good time dancing to
the music."

On 1/26/14, Dixiejazzdata <dixiejazzdata at aol.com> wrote:
> No folks we are not struggling with a dying art form at all we are
> struggling with some older folks who cannot or will not try to keep up with
> life as it progresses,  and well meaning societies that are hell bent on
> destroying it as anything more than their private party.   The art form is
> alive and well and will be in spite of the naysayers and those who
> voluntarily choose to fall off the wagon as it moves forward.   Many would
> simply be happy to remain stuck in Time.  Some of us refuse to lay down and
> die and accept no as an answer.
>
>
> Well go ahead and maybe when some kid finally creates the Time Machine we
> can come back to your time and say hello  and show you videos of thousands
> of kids dancing to OKOM again.     History repeats itself, and some of us
> are still out there making it happen.  Fortunately we are also teaching
> younger kids how to do it and keep this NON Dying Art Form alive and
> thriving for the movers and shakers.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Tom Wiggins
> Who will be entertaining 7000 + people with it  on Feb 22
> who are paying $35.00 to $75.00 a ticket to experience it,  For the Third
> Year in a Row in a city known for it's OKOM, but non of their Society
> members will even show up much less get a gig there.
>
>
> OKOM was not born and performed in Hotels at low volume wheel chair
> accessible  warm and cozy upper middle class Hotels
> it was performed in big old cold dance halls that warmed up with the sweaty
> bodies of young folks having a good time dancing to the music.
>
>
> And last Year we played 26 great Mardi Gras Gigs in 22 days,  but some think
> we are lying and are just braggarts.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com>
> To: B.B. Buffington <dixiejazzdata at aol.com>
> Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 6:10 pm
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] DJML Facebook Page
>
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>> If sarcasm is one way of waking up people, why not use it. What do you
>> propose as an alternative? Please? As you react on my sarcasm I see it as
>> a
>> proof for a useable “weapon” (not the right word, I think). There are no
>> war here.
>>
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>> We are struggling with a dying art form.
>>
>
> That's what they thought in the 1930's.
>
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>
>> The world around us run throw dramatic changes in communication,
>> information and way of relations. A guess the average age of people, who
>> still see our art form as the best ever produced music, is around 70.
>>
>
>
> Not in my country.  Eli Preminger has young following.  I have already
> mentioned that he landed a gig at a place ostensibly catering to the
> over-30.  They did not let younger people in.  Eli's followers came, and
> were not let in.  They might be 30 by now!  Even though Eli notified his
> crowd of a policy change, once turned away they didn't come back, and the
> gig folded.
>
>
>> I for myself is 73. Will traditional jazz survive the next 15-20 years as
>> a living art form? I have my strong doubts.
>>
>
> It seemed dead in the 1930's.  Then the featherbrained one and his cohorts
> chased Art Hodes out of New York.  He cam back, the Three Deuces are almost
> forgotten.  I am 73, too, and we have three people older than I in our
> group.  At least two of them are into more "modern" music as well. All the
> others are younger.
>
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>>
>> My provocative post, in which I have already express my apologies for, is
>> a small clumsy attempt to wake up at least a few people who still think
>> that the old crank up Vitrola is the best way of exposing OKOM music and
>> plain mail is the only feasible form of communication.
>>
>
> Who might that be?  Certainly neither Bill (perhaps I shouldn't speak for
> him - he has not empowered me to do so) nor I.  And I do not object to your
> use of whatever it is, as long as you don't try to force me to.  No way.
> Full stop.
>
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>> Old recordings were made in different ways with no specific standard. Many
>> recording companies did not use 78 rpm but perhaps 82 rpm or something
>> else
>> when recording. Now, when playing those old recordings on today’s standard
>> players, with fixed 78 rpm, the tunes come out in a complete wrong key or
>> something between keys. You might see this as the charm with old
>> recordings. I don´t.  I find it extremely irritating to not be able to
>> play
>> along with some IE Louis recordings without retuning the banjo a quarter
>> or
>> half tone step. I have quite a number of CD´s were reissued 78 rpm
>> recordings are played in undefined keys.
>>
>
> I am not a musician; I just follow on of the Duke's sayings: "If it sounds
> good, it IS good."  Besides, I have never said anything agins remastering,
> even though it is often overdone.  Correct the speed, correct the pitch.
> But it will still sound better than any currently possible digital
> remastering.
>
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>>
>> I just would like to point out that the glorious world of perfect sound,
>> that some people think the shell lack era embraced, indeed had its speed
>> drawbacks, apart from distortion, hiss noise, clicks and limited frequency
>> register. Many of the surviving “masters” used for reissue are also in
>> pretty bad shapes. Digital MP3 files has its limitation also. No doubt.
>> The
>> standard is 25 years old. There are better digital standards for hand
>> today
>> like FLAC. I do not want to listen to professional recorded classical
>> music
>> recordings in MP3 format in my Hi-Fi room.
>>
>
>
>
> All that sounds Greek to me.  In my advanced age, if I wished to learn
> another language, it would not be Greek!  But then, I am an old technophobe.
>
>
>> There I agree with you. Vinyl is probably still the optimum media for that
>> kind of music. But! Can you really hear any difference of an original 1920
>> 78 rpm recording and the same converted to a MP3 file? Whatever all
>> experts
>> say, I doubt that very much.
>>
>
>
> Sorry, Ulf, but I cannot listen with your ears; the only ears available to
> me are mine.  And the difference is not discernible to any electronic
> devices.
>
>
>
>>   The 78rpm believers can keep the old Vitrola greased for their own joy.
>> Oh, Yes I have one bought by my late Uncle 1905.
>>
>
> I don't understand why you repeat that Victrola business again and again.
> Even we, perish the thought, use more advanced devices, perhaps because
> crank-up players my change speed while playing.
>
>>
>>
>> Ulf, here in Africa we consider age just as numbers! How right they were.
>> That is why I now at the age of 73 has bought me a Bb tuba, something I
>> have dreamed of for years. Will I ever be able to play with others? I
>> don´t
>> know. But brain researcher claim strongly that age as such is no
>> limitation
>> to learn new things, whatever it is to play the tuba or use Facebook.
>>
>
> Did I say anything about age and Facebook?  If so, remind me when, because
> I cannot recall it.  I have mentioned being an old technophobe, but forty
> years ago I  was  young technophobe, and before that - an even younger one
> (to the chagrine of my mother whose dream was for me to be an enginner).
>
> I just had a Leffe Blond, lovely Belgian ale - it went very well with the
> Modern Sound Orchestra, whom I originally considered German because the
> record, "Dixieland Party," was manufactured in Hamburg but who, judging by
> their names, are Dutch (or Belgian).
> Cheers
>
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>> *Från:* Marek Boym [mailto:marekboym at gmail.com]
>> *Skickat:* den 24 januari 2014 21:35
>> *Till:* Ulf Jagfors
>> *Kopia:* Dixieland Jazz Mailing List
>> *Ämne:* Re: [Dixielandjazz] DJML Facebook Page
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>> Sarcasm and riducule are often the weapon of people lacking better
>> weapons.  which seems to be the case on hand.
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