[Dixielandjazz] Dixieland v. Trad Jazz

[Dixiejazzdata]

Bob you are entitled to your opinion. but many of us  who play the music disagree especially with your simplicity description.


It is some our opinions the difference between Black American Traditional Creation of the music and White interpretations of it.


The Original Dixieland Jazz Band did not invent Traditional Jazz they were simply the First Band allowed to record it by a White Label
that would not even consider recording a Black band at that time in history.


Cheers


Tom Wiggins
and da boys in da band
Saint Gabriels Celestial Brass Band












-----Original Message-----
From: Jim O'Briant <jobriant at garlic.com>
To: B.B. Buffington <dixiejazzdata at aol.com>
Cc: Dixieland Jazz Mailing List <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 7:07 am
Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Dixieland v. Trad Jazz


Bob Brodsky wrote:

> I thought that I had made the difference pretty clear 
> in my book, "The World in a Jug" (amazon.com/books 
> or Kindle). Dixieland = 2 beat; N.O. or Trad = 4 beat. 
> That's the simplest difference. ...

There are a lot of performing musicians and band leaders who wouldn't accept
that definition. In nearly every band I've played with (I play tuba), the
leader has called the band a "Traditional Jazz" band -- and has insisted on
2-beat bass. And as others have pointed out, Louis Armstrong always said he
played Dixieland, but an awful lot of his bands had a string bass player who
played 4-beat all the time.

> The subtle difference in my mind is that Dixieland is fun, 
> rollicking music, while trad is more serious and mental.

I agree with the connotation of "Dixieland = Fun," bringing up visions of
striped vests, straw "skimmer" hats, and in the USA, pizza parlors and beer
and sing-alongs. I disagree with your assertion that "Traditional Jazz" is
"serious and mental" rather than "fun."

Perhaps not everyone has read your book, and perhaps some who have may not
accept every word as gospel.

When people ask me the difference, I just say that they're basically two
names for the same general style of music -- pre-big-band-era jazz, played
by small bands of about 5 - 9 musicians. If they want more, I add that
"Dixieland" has that "fun" and "light-hearted" connotation that we agree on,
but that it's a word that has slipped out of favor in more recent years, and
that "Traditional Jazz" is the current term of choice for many.

Jim O'Briant
Gilroy, CA
Tuba & Leader, The Zinfandel Stompers







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