[Dixielandjazz] Whiteman controversy

[Hal Vickery]

When I was taking U.S. History in high school we had to write a term paper.  I chose 1920s jazz.  I read Whiteman's autobiography.  Early on he had a clarinet player from New Orleans, iirc.  When he quit the Whiteman band, he left with the comment, "You guys can't play the blues worth a damn."  This was before he hired the Dorseys, Nichols, Beiderbecke, etc.
Hal Vickery

> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:19:10 -0500
> From: garym at teledyn.com
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Whiteman controversy
> CC: dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com
> To: hvickery_80 at msn.com
> 
> When Joe Oliver was billed as 'King' there was already several others,
> including Bunk Johnson; it's my guess it really means more like how the
> Rastafarians call *every* adult male '*Ras*' (meaning 'king') -- besides,
> in the case of Whiteman, in that era, if I'm not mistake, *every* product
> was billed with superlatives.
> 
> Whiteman did push Gershwin to debut *Rhapsody in Blue* and so maybe he was
> a king in sense of the crusading King Richard III, in that he didn't do
> much in the way of governing and leading the country of Jazz, but he did
> pour a lot of money into Jazz R&D, and maybe did do a lot to open new trade
> routes ;)
> 
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Marek Boym <marekboym at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > OK.
> > But that's what people in Poland and Israel thought of RnR and Calypso!
> >
> > After all, had Whiteman not been considered a jazz player, he would
> > not have been crowned as
> > the king of jazz, " would he?
> > Cheers
> >
> > On 21 January 2013 02:12, Judy Eames <jude at judyeames.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On 20/01/2013 21:44, Marek Boym wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Does a magazine description of music as "jazz" make it such?
> > >
> > > These are, in part, reports of how  people in the US and UK were
> > describing
> > > Whiteman  not the editor's opinion.  The MM was the pro musicians'
> > journal
> > > not just any old magazine.  Jazz has many interpretations but who are we
> > > getting on for 90 years later to say that their description was wrong?
> > >
> > > Over and out I think
> > >
> > > Jude
> > >
> > > www.jude at judyeames.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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