[Dixielandjazz] Hines Air-shots (was Ray Nance)

Marek Boym marekboym at gmail.com
Sun Jan 20 14:15:02 PST 2013

The early sax players had to listen to clarinet players.  Still, I
cannot detect any Dodds, for example, in Young's playing.

On 21 January 2013 00:09, Ken Mathieson <ken at kenmath.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Marek,
> You're not mad, dear pal, or maybe I am too! I hear that connection too, but
> I suppose it was natural that the first generation of saxophonists, in
> trying to develop the instrument for soloing, had to listen to the
> clarinettists who had gone before. I see it as further proof of one of the
> pet theories of the late Douglas Adams. If the name is unfamiliar, he was
> the author of the hugely entertaining series of books called The
> Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. He also wrote a series of humorous novels
> about a holistic private detective called Dirk Gently, whose central
> philosophy was "the inter-connectedness of everything." Dirk Gently takes
> this to ludicrous extremes in the books, but is always proved right in the
> end, to the mystification of the cops who were invariably stumped by the
> case.
> So, by extension, the Creole clarinettists, Lester Young, Charlie Parker and
> every saxophonist since then are in some way inter-connected! Incidentally,
> do any of the ace sleuths on our list know if Lorenzo Tio taught any
> clarinettists outside of black and Creole musicians? It's known he taught
> Jimmy Noone, Barney Bigard, Albert Nicholas, Omer Simeon, Louis Cottrell Jr,
> Albert Burnbank, Peter Duconge, Johnny Dodds and Sidney Bechet (although the
> latter two claimed to have had little formal teaching from him). Harold
> Dejan also claimed that he, Darnell Howard and Russell Procope had also been
> taught by him. There must have been others. Although he's thought of as a
> Creole, Tio was originally of Spanish descent by way of Mexico and
> photographs of him show no obvious African-American characteristics. So, in
> the racially-divided world of early 20th century New Orleans, he probably
> passed for white while associating with Creole and black musicians, so it's
> possible that he may have taught some of the white players too. Any ideas?
> Cheers,
> Ken
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marek Boym" <marekboym at gmail.com>
> To: "Ken Mathieson" <ken at kenmath.free-online.co.uk>
> Cc: "Dixieland Jazz Mailing List" <dixielandjazz at ml.islandnet.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dixielandjazz] Hines Air-shots (was Ray Nance)
> Hoorray!
> I've always had that feeling when listening to Lester Young - he
> reminded me of the Creole clarinet sound; listening to Lester on
> clarinet reiforced that feeling, but when I told my friends, they
> thought I was mad (I probably was, and always have been, but it has
> nothing to do with either the Creole style or Lestr Young).
> Cheers

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